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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 30, 2024, 2:48 pm
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> I get more annoyed about held up being a goal line drop out. I
kind of see what 50/22s are aiming to achieve but I’m not sure
it was a rule change that was needed. Then again I would say
that after today wouldn’t I…
>
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Yeah, that is also a bad law change.
The majority of 50/22s come shortly after a team regains
possession. It's harder to see the impact it's meant to have on
the game when the primary occurrences are when good attacking
ball is kicked away because the risk/reward ratio has been
skewed massively in favour of kicking.
I've been banging on about these for ages and I can't wait for
it to be reverted, even if I fully admire the skill behind it
(alright, sometimes it's just a lucky bounce, but still!)
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:01 pm
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> He tackled Russell from a quick tap having not retreated. It
was dumb.
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Herbst for his enforcer role in my view is a lame duck, and
seems to constantly give stupid penalties away.
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:04 pm
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--- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
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> Herbst for his enforcer role in my view is a lame duck, and
seems to constantly give stupid penalties away.
>
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There's no question he hits like a truck and he is probably an
extremely powerful scrummager. But yes, he's about the standard
I'd expect from a guy who was playing in Italy.
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:09 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> It's a huge territory gain and gives them possession as well.
What response is there?
>
> Difficult the cover the space required with a man down when
the opposition has ruthlessly exploited any space out wide. It's
excellent play, obviously, but it's a law I will go to my grave
believing it has no place in rugby so I'm predisposed to believe
it's difficult thing to prevent in many circumstances. It is a
huge momentum swing, either way.
>
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No no.
I mean - if the world 15 fly half is kicking 50-22s then don't
give him the ball, and if you must then absolutely don't leave
gaps all over the back field. He kicked what, 4 50-22s to the NE
corner in the last 15 minutes? The response is to leave a winger
back.
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:10 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> There's no question he hits like a truck and he is probably an
extremely powerful scrummager. But yes, he's about the standard
I'd expect from a guy who was playing in Italy.
>
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Oh yeah, he’s a big guy and does what you’d expect for that
size, but I think overall lacks a smart rugby brain to succeed
at this level. Charlie Matthews was a big guy but even had a bit
more about him in that role
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:12 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> He tackled Russell from a quick tap having not retreated. It
was dumb.
>
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yeah, yellowest of the yellow.
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: KiltedQuin
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:15 pm
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--- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
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> No no.
>
> I mean - if the world 15 fly half is kicking 50-22s then don't
give him the ball, and if you must then absolutely don't leave
gaps all over the back field. He kicked what, 4 50-22s to the NE
corner in the last 15 minutes? The response is to leave a winger
back.
>
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Do you mean the world’s best 10 (fly half).
Though I agree. Kick it out and make them work off the line out
in their own half.
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:16 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> Yeah, that is also a bad law change.
>
> The majority of 50/22s come shortly after a team regains
possession. It's harder to see the impact it's meant to have on
the game when the primary occurrences are when good attacking
ball is kicked away because the risk/reward ratio has been
skewed massively in favour of kicking.
>
> I've been banging on about these for ages and I can't wait for
it to be reverted, even if I fully admire the skill behind it
(alright, sometimes it's just a lucky bounce, but still!)
>
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For me they were both extremely blunt instruments, but at least
attempting to deal with genuine problems in the game.
I'd move 50-22 to 60-22, and I'd allow attacking teams to
recycle if they could where the ball was held up, and 8f unable
I'd give them a tap 10m out.
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:17 pm
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--- Quote from: KiltedQuin link ---
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> Do you mean the world’s best 10 (fly half).
>
> Though I agree. Kick it out and make them work off the line
out in their own half.
>
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World 15 - as in XV.
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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 30, 2024, 3:20 pm
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--- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
>
> No no.
>
> I mean - if the world 15 fly half is kicking 50-22s then don't
give him the ball, and if you must then absolutely don't leave
gaps all over the back field. He kicked what, 4 50-22s to the NE
corner in the last 15 minutes? The response is to leave a winger
back.
>
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He kicked one and Gallagher kicked one. There may have been a
third (I think I must have missed one because someone elsewhere
suggested it was 3 not 2). I think it's easier to say don't give
him the ball when you're clearing ball than to cover the
potential 50/22 at all times when a man down, when they've been
exploiting us out wide with Lawrence and the wings.
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