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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: gregory p
Date: March 27, 2024, 4:15 am
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He's not the Marsiler......he's just a very naughty boy
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: Marsile.
Date: March 27, 2024, 7:55 am
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--- Quote from: A222Quin link ---
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> Yes that’s all Youngs and Care did during their 900 odd
combined appearances for Club and Country over the last few
years. Obvious troll is obvious.
>
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That is all that Danny Care was good for - passing into touch.
Sometimes he missed touch though and the ball was caught by
another player who sometimes scored a try.
But that was just luck.
Why don't you guys just agree with me and just say that I am
right all the time instead of arguing with me (even though you
are always wrong!!!)
- then I could go out in the back garden and play with the new
football that Mum has bought me.
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: Marsile.
Date: March 27, 2024, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: dr_miles link ---
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> This fella Marsile is a tedious bore, isn't he? We might all
disagree about plenty of things on this board, but surely that
unites us all.
>
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I am not a tedious bore!
I am a "world-class" bore.
And as I am a Sarries supporter, I expect to get picked for the
World Cup Boring Team! I expect to get many international caps.
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: March 27, 2024, 9:09 am
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Wow, I though't I was the captain hook of the board. Must try
harder :(
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 27, 2024, 10:37 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
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> If 'recent incumbents' includes the pair of 100-cap
bottlenecks who either pass the ball directly into touch or kick
it directly there then I simply disagree that their form has
been better than Spencer's.
>
> And while we're on the subject of good faith, let's look at
Spencer start percentages for his last two full seasons at
Saracens again;
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> 18/19 Season he started 14/21 67%
> 17/18 Season 13/24 54%
>
> He was also offered a contract to stay at Saracens but moved
to Bath because of the relegation to the Championship. He was
the undisputed no.1 scrumhalf when he left Saracens.
>
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Why was the undisputed number one at Saracens on the bench the
majority of the time in his final season? Seems like there was
some dispute.
What was the undisputed number one at Saracens still only
starting 67% of the time in the single season he was first
choice?
And in good faith: Why did you decide to ignore the champions
cup for 17/18? He was benched for almost all of them. Saracens
started him 44% of the time that season. You make a big deal out
of him starting a European final so it's weird to see you
suddenly discount European selection. He started 14 out of 32
matches that season. For comparison, Care started 20/20, Youngs
17/18, Nic White 25/26 for Exeter - that's what being first
choice looks like.
Spencer was also on the bench for both the premiership semi
final & final, and the losing qf against Leinster. Which is what
you'd expect from the second choice 9 if the first choice is
available.
Re: Youngs and Care. Youngs hasn't been the incumbent for a
while, but generally I agree that his club form hadn't demanded
selection for many years. You can't say the same of Mitchell and
Care.
But ultimately I just shake my head at yet another attempt to
"prove me wrong" that involves you either accidentally or
deliberately failing to read the data properly, and your fight
to the death to argue against the logic that his lack of starts
probably counted against him for England. The facts won't
change, so you're going to have to find another angle beyond "he
was secretly first choice, Saracens just didn't want to start
him most of the time".
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 27, 2024, 11:02 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
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>
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> It's unlikely Ben Spencer would have played hundreds of
matches passing the ball thousands of times to Owen Farrell at
Saracens for a decade if Farrell didn't rate Spencer.
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> But sure, believe 'some' people then extrapolate as you wish.
>
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Yet he must have rated Care more highly. Are you suggesting your
Lord and Messiah knows less than you?
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: Marsile
Date: March 27, 2024, 11:18 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> Yet he must have rated Care more highly. Are you suggesting
your Lord and Messiah knows less than you?
>
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If you believe that Owen Farrell picked the England team for the
last 12 years then it doesn't really matter what anyone else
thinks does it.
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: Marsile
Date: March 27, 2024, 11:25 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> Re: Youngs and Care. Youngs hasn't been the incumbent for a
while, but generally I agree that his club form hadn't demanded
selection for many years. You can't say the same of Mitchell and
Care.
>
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There have been 5 England games since Ben Youngs last played
fire England. 5. That's FIVE.
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: Marsile
Date: March 27, 2024, 11:30 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
> The facts won't change, so you're going to have to find
another angle beyond "he was secretly first choice, Saracens
just didn't want to start him most of the time".
>
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67% is most of the time. That's a fact that won't change either.
He was the Saracens first choice 9 in the two seasons before he
left the club. You can argue he wasn't but then you'd know you'd
be wrong. You've also missed the part where I explained that he
still didn't get picked for England despite playing 89% of the
time for Bath. Spencer is a much better 9 than Care or Youngs
regardless of what club shirt he is wearing.
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Re: DANNY CARE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL RUGBY
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 27, 2024, 11:44 am
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He's a good player. In the list of hard done by English players
over the last 20 years or so, he's way way way down the list.
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