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#Post#: 115859--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 21, 2023, 5:48 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
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>
> Ben Earl was Bristol's best player. For one season. Won
nothing.
> Ben Spencer is Bath's best player. Won nothing. Still no caps.
> Ashton isn't from Saracens academy but he won the league and
European cup after he joined Saracens. Twice. He won the
Anglo-Welsh cup with Northampton. See the difference?
>
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With respect, those are different points.
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> You only have to see how average players who leave Saracens
for other clubs become
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It wasn’t about what they won or what they did before coming to
Sarries.
My opinion is that Earl improved at Bristol. We can debate that.
As “their best player”, I doubt anyone would say he was average.
You call Spencer “Bath’s best player”. Again, we can debate the
merits of Russell or Lawrence but nobody is saying that Spencer
is now average.
Ashton left Sarries and broke the T14 try scoring record for a
season. He wasn’t average.
See the difference?
#Post#: 115860--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: never sleep
Date: November 21, 2023, 5:56 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
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> You only have to see how average players who leave Saracens
for other clubs become and conversely how good they get when
they join from other clubs.
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Tizard was an awesome player for us when we won the cup.
He seems to be a bit average now.
Maybe his house isn't to his liking.
#Post#: 115861--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: Donuts
Date: November 21, 2023, 6:05 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
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> The irony is that Saracens are subject to far more in-depth
forensic accounting than any club, probably in the world. If you
have evidence that Tizard has been bought a house as a bung to
join Saracens then you are better informed than Grant Thornton.
>
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is this the same Grant Thornton ?
Grant Thornton fined £1.3m over Sports Direct audit failings
Serious audit failings over two financial years at Sports Direct
has cost Grant Thornton two fines totalling over £1.3m and a
severe reprimand.
18th Jul 2022
#Post#: 115862--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: Marsile
Date: November 21, 2023, 6:21 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> With respect, those are different points.
>
> It wasn’t about what they won or what they did before coming
to Sarries.
>
> My opinion is that Earl improved at Bristol. We can debate
that. As “their best player”, I doubt anyone would say he was
average.
>
> You call Spencer “Bath’s best player”. Again, we can debate
the merits of Russell or Lawrence but nobody is saying that
Spencer is now average.
>
> Ashton left Sarries and broke the T14 try scoring record for a
season. He wasn’t average.
>
> See the difference?
>
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Strettle did well after joining Saracens, he realised his
potential. Nathan Earle went the other way of course after
playing in and winning the Premiership final for Saracens in
2018.
#Post#: 115863--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: November 21, 2023, 6:35 am
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Haven’t you got anything better to do than come on another
club’s forum and debate in a deliberately inflammatory way?
Plenty of other fans of other clubs manage to come on here
(including Sarries) and partake in decent discussion.
#Post#: 115864--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: QNSno7
Date: November 21, 2023, 6:45 am
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I'm still awaiting an honest response from him :
1. Did Sarries cheat to win multiple titles ?
2. Were they relegated for the cheating ?
3. Why is their attendance so low for a big club ?
4. Who are the Academy players from last weeks match . ?
#Post#: 115866--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: never sleep
Date: November 21, 2023, 6:59 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
>
> Ashton isn't from Saracens academy but he won the league and
European cup after he joined Saracens. Twice. He won the
Anglo-Welsh cup with Northampton. See the difference?
>
--- End Quote ---
Ashton was with Quins in the season we won the league.
There is a major difference though - Quins weren't exceeding the
salary cap when we won the cup.
#Post#: 115867--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 21, 2023, 7:00 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
>
>
> Strettle did well after joining Saracens, he realised his
potential. Nathan Earle went the other way of course after
playing in and winning the Premiership final for Saracens in
2018.
>
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That’s lovely
Care to discuss the people I actually mentioned?
Or are we just naming random players who’ve been at Sarries?
Flats and Shanks were both better than average after leaving.
Steffan Armitage did OK
George Chuter and Julian White played in a few big games for
Leicester
Joe Gray won a Prem on his return to Quins
Jason Leonard’s career kicked on when he was at Quins
Dan Luger went back to Quins and got a World Cup winner’s medal
It’s almost as if some players leave Sarries and do better
whilst others improve after joining Sarries
Much the same as at most clubs
#Post#: 115868--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: never sleep
Date: November 21, 2023, 7:11 am
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--- Quote from: Marsile link ---
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>
> Nathan Earle went the other way of course after playing in and
winning the Premiership final for Saracens in 2018.
>
>
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Taking delight in Nathan Earl suffering an almost career ending
long-term knee ligament injury and not fulfilling his potential
is very low.
#Post#: 115869--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Saracens are right to back Owen Farrell as their marquee
player over Maro Itoje
DIR By: Marsile
Date: November 21, 2023, 7:34 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> Taking delight in Nathan Earl suffering an almost career
ending long-term knee ligament injury and not fulfilling his
potential is very low.
>
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No delight implied or taken.
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