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Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 23, 2023, 6:54 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> Surely that is irrelevant to the current situation.
>
> That would be like charging the actor Bruno Ganz for
war-crimes because he played the role of Adolf Hitler in
Downfall.
> What happens in the Arts is not the same as an actual event.
>
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You think the term isn't used in conversation too?
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Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: never sleep
Date: November 23, 2023, 6:55 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> I've always found it bizarre that a word is rarely considered
offensive unless a white person uses it 🤔
> What are your thoughts on that?
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Context is everything.
If I was to refer to one of my white friends as a "White ****",
then that is not racist as I too am white (it is just
rude/banter/etc).
If someone who was not white were to do the same, then it could
be considered racist language.
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Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: championes
Date: November 23, 2023, 7:44 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> As opposed to the UK, where it sometimes feels like it's
everyone else against whit people?
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What a very odd place you live in. It must be terrible to be
part of an oppressed group of people who just want to
express....oh hold on wait...
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Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 23, 2023, 8:39 am
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--- Quote from: championes link ---
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> What a very odd place you live in. It must be terrible to be
part of an oppressed group of people who just want to
express....oh hold on wait...
>
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I lived in a part of England where white British were a
minority. I thought minorities were supposed to be protected?
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Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 23, 2023, 8:41 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> Context is everything.
> If I was to refer to one of my white friends as a "White
****", then that is not racist as I too am white (it is just
rude/banter/etc).
> If someone who was not white were to do the same, then it
could be considered racist language.
>
--- End Quote ---
In which case, Ugo wasn't "racially" abused, using that logic.
Either a term is offensive, or it isn't.
#Post#: 115991--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: never sleep
Date: November 23, 2023, 10:10 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> In which case, Ugo wasn't "racially" abused, using that logic.
>
> Either a term is offensive, or it isn't.
>
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As I explained on a previous post - Mixed Race does not equal
Black
#Post#: 115992--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: November 23, 2023, 10:33 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> Context is everything.
> If I was to refer to one of my white friends as a "White
****", then that is not racist as I too am white (it is just
rude/banter/etc).
> If someone who was not white were to do the same, then it
could be considered racist language.
>
>
>
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But in Curry’s case not so.
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Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: Carbonm
Date: November 23, 2023, 10:39 am
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--- Quote from: Mayor West link ---
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> But in Curry’s case not so.
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Not by World Rugby or South African rugby but RFU disagree
#Post#: 115994--------------------------------------------------
Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: Carbonm
Date: November 23, 2023, 10:48 am
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> Really? I honestly have no idea what Luther is actually
calling for here. Mixed race south Africans to get lifetime bans
from english rugby stadia after racial abuse? OK. Little bit
niche tho?
>
> How this is in any way connected to azeem rafiq I'm not sure.
>
> Sounds like Luther wants to drag rugby through the wringer,
which seems a little bit of an overreaction considering the
circumstances.
>
> I certainly agree with him that Rugby is too much a sport for
the elites, but race is a massive red herring. It's certainly
not in any way a sport in which minorities are under
represented, here or anywhere else.
>
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Well you can disagree with his suggestions, fair enough, but my
take is he is coming from a place of having experienced racism
and wanting to take steps to ensure the things that happened to
him and Ugo are fully addressed. As he says at the end, it is
not just about being black but eradicating discrimination and
combating prejudice. Doesn't sound like he wants to put rugby
through the wringer at all to me.
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Re: O/T Ugo says he was racially abused at Exeter
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 23, 2023, 11:54 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> As I explained on a previous post - Mixed Race does not equal
Black
>
--- End Quote ---
To you, maybe not.
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