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       Re: Idea for boosting the Premiership club numbers
   DIR By: Rocker
       Date: November 1, 2023, 2:50 am
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       Maybe rugby just isn't suited to life as a professional sport?
       #Post#: 114872--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Idea for boosting the Premiership club numbers
   DIR By: Camquin
       Date: November 1, 2023, 5:55 am
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       I think Rugby can afford to pay players a good wage - that is
       above the national average.
       It cannot afford to pay them the wages they are paying.
       Given the size of crowds, it should be comparing itself to at
       most Championship, if not League One soccer, not Premiership.
       And remember, the EFL wanted League One sides to have a £2.5m
       salary cap, with league 2 capped at £1.5m.
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       Re: Idea for boosting the Premiership club numbers
   DIR By: Narbia
       Date: November 1, 2023, 8:37 am
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       --- Quote from: Camquin link ---
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       > ...
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       > But, the fly in the ointment would be the fact that the Welsh,
       Scottish and Irish sides are franchises part owned by their
       unions, while the English clubs are not.
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       > And,[i] I believe they all get less funding that the English
       clubs. [/i]
       > ...
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       The Scottish franchises are better funded than say Exeter
       Chiefs, as noted by DoR Rob Baxter when losing a player to the
       better funded Scottish outfits. I don't know about Ireland and
       Wales, but I can't imagine anyone moving for less funding.
       Nor are the Scottish franchises crippled with loans during the
       pandemic : only 25% of that is repayable and amounts to  about
       just a couple of £Mn to be returned at an opportune moment.
       There's also the question of where would GW & ER rugby fit into
       the Prem 1 &2.  The URC/PROx has expanded from 12 to 14 to 16
       and now has the Saffer top 4 teams playing in it. Some of the
       younger players love their outing to SA in the northern
       mid-winter.
       I just can't see the incentive to move.
       #Post#: 114887--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Idea for boosting the Premiership club numbers
   DIR By: Camquin
       Date: November 1, 2023, 11:09 am
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       The Scottish professional teams are part of the SRU, so they do
       not have separate accounts.
       According to the SRU accounts, the two professional teams cost
       the £21m in total.
       Exeter Rugby Group turns over £21m.
       Which is pretty much the average for Premiership sides.
       Now, there is a question on what you spend your money on.
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       Re: Idea for boosting the Premiership club numbers
   DIR By: Narbia
       Date: November 1, 2023, 12:53 pm
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       The SRU turnover is something like £65 Mn if I remember
       correctly. And it's slightly loss making too.
       The salary cap in the GP was £5 Mn recently. What Mr Baxter was
       complaining about was that the Scottish teams are not
       constrained by the same limits. As far as I know there is none.
       I still think that the Scottish outfit is in better financial
       health than a few GP teams.
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