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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: October 22, 2023, 7:52 am
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You can have the biggest pool of excellent young players, and
the best pipeline, but if the coach doesn't select them or has a
terrible game plan, it's irrelevant.
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: poorfour
Date: October 22, 2023, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> You can have the biggest pool of excellent young players, and
the best pipeline, but if the coach doesn't select them or has a
terrible game plan, it's irrelevant.
>
--- End Quote ---
In my view, Borthwick selected this squad to execute a pragmatic
game plan and make the most of the RWC draw - and it very neatly
worked. He will have a new attack coach, and a new game plan for
the next RWC cycle.
I for one will withhold judgement until the hybrid contract
players are selected. That's the real statement of intent
#Post#: 114411--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: October 22, 2023, 8:03 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
>
> In my view, Borthwick selected this squad to execute a
pragmatic game plan and make the most of the RWC draw - and it
very neatly worked. He will have a new attack coach, and a new
game plan for the next RWC cycle.
>
> I for one will withhold judgement until the hybrid contract
players are selected. That's the real statement of intent
>
--- End Quote ---
That's all well and good against teams that won't be able to
step up a gear or dig deep and find a way to win. How do you
think that would have gone against NZ next week?
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: poorfour
Date: October 22, 2023, 9:01 am
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I think this England side would have given the All Blacks a game
as well. It wouldn't have been pretty, but the same line speed
and commitment at the breakdown would have put pressure on their
game plan. I also think Smith would have been back in the side
to add some pace in attack.
NZ would still be favourites, but in a one off game you never
know.
A lot of critics are raising the bar game on game. Most
predictions before the game were for a big Bol win, but it was
one penalty - that could have gone the other way - between the
two sides.
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: Yareet
Date: October 22, 2023, 9:57 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> I think this England side would have given the All Blacks a
game as well. It wouldn't have been pretty, but the same line
speed and commitment at the breakdown would have put pressure on
their game plan. I also think Smith would have been back in the
side to add some pace in attack.
>
> NZ would still be favourites, but in a one off game you never
know.
>
> A lot of critics are raising the bar game on game. Most
predictions before the game were for a big Bol win, but it was
one penalty - that could have gone the other way - between the
two sides.
>
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A lot of critics said we wouldn’t beat Argentina
A lot of critics said we wouldn’t get out of our group
A lot of critics said we wouldn’t beat Fiji
A lot of critics said we wouldn’t get close to SA
Even if we had won the whole thing, I fear a lot of critics
would’ve still complained we did it playing dull rugby.
If at any point since Borthwick took over, somebody had said we
would have been unbeaten in the World Cup until the semi final
where we lose by 1 point to world’s number #1 team and that we
are only behind for the last 2 minutes, I’m not sure many
would’ve believed it.
Yet still there are those who refuse to credit this coaching
ticket or this team for their achievements.
It’s always about how badly the oppo played.
Would the same XV have taken the field or played the same game
plan if the oppo were Ireland, France or NZ? I’m guessing not.
For me, Borthwick showed with the Fiji game v last night that he
will pick horses for courses and a style to match.
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: October 22, 2023, 10:02 am
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--- Quote from: Harleys Evil Step Mum link ---
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> With Dan Cole starting for us on Saturday I just wondered how
many South Africans would have to die for him to START for the
Saffers......10/20/30? Just a genuine thought as I am STUNNED he
is the BEST we have!
>
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I think this post should be pinned for posterity.
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: Hellequin
Date: October 22, 2023, 11:24 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> A lot of critics said we wouldn’t beat Argentina
> A lot of critics said we wouldn’t get out of our group
> A lot of critics said we wouldn’t beat Fiji
> A lot of critics said we wouldn’t get close to SA
>
> Even if we had won the whole thing, I fear a lot of critics
would’ve still complained we did it playing dull rugby.
>
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For me the thing is could we have done better by picking players
on form rather than reputation and playing a quicker more
attacking style of rugby.
Even in the semi, could Ford and Lawrence have been bought on
when we were ahead to stretch the lead rather than try to defend
a slender one.
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: October 22, 2023, 11:28 am
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It's a good achievement to get to the last 4 in the RWC. Let's
not forget a really cack 6N and a pathetic warm-up series
though, and let's not ignore the conservative and boring rugby
played.
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: October 22, 2023, 10:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
>
>
> It’s always about how badly the oppo played.
>
> Would the same XV have taken the field or played the same game
plan if the oppo were Ireland, France or NZ? I’m guessing not.
For me, Borthwick showed with the Fiji game v last night that he
will pick horses for courses and a style to match.
>
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It can be both.
As for praising his selection, he also selected the
replacements.
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Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
DIR By: poorfour
Date: October 23, 2023, 12:37 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> It can be both.
>
> As for praising his selection, he also selected the
replacements.
>
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So which replacements would you have selected in their place?
And how would you have coached them to get on the side of a
southern hemisphere ref who was clearly more comfortable with SH
scrummaging styles?
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