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       #Post#: 114275--------------------------------------------------
       Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Harleys Evil Step Mum
       Date: October 19, 2023, 6:55 am
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       With Dan Cole starting for us on Saturday I just wondered how
       many South Africans would have to die for him to START for the
       Saffers......10/20/30? Just a genuine thought as I am STUNNED he
       is the BEST we have!
       #Post#: 114277--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: October 19, 2023, 7:08 am
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       --- Quote from: Harleys Evil Step Mum link ---
       >
       > With Dan Cole starting for us on Saturday I just wondered how
       many South Africans would have to die for him to START for the
       Saffers......10/20/30? Just a genuine thought as I am STUNNED he
       is the BEST we have!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       TH is a real area of concern
       Sinkler has been poor since he left us
       Stuart went backwards after the Australia tour
       Heyes - Not seen enough of him to sack him off completly but
       unsure if he's going to be what we need
       I think theres a lot of hopes being pinned on
       Fasognbun/Opuku-Fordjour to be the next ones to come through.
       So in short, there isn't really anyone massively better and we
       are probably going to see Sinkler/Stuart/Heyes after the RWC,
       probably for another 2 years or so whilst we see how the 19/20
       year olds progress.
       #Post#: 114279--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 19, 2023, 7:59 am
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       --- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
       >
       > TH is a real area of concern
       >
       > Sinkler has been poor since he left us
       > Stuart went backwards after the Australia tour
       > Heyes - Not seen enough of him to sack him off completly but
       unsure if he's going to be what we need
       >
       > I think theres a lot of hopes being pinned on
       Fasognbun/Opuku-Fordjour to be the next ones to come through.
       >
       > So in short, there isn't really anyone massively better and we
       are probably going to see Sinkler/Stuart/Heyes after the RWC,
       probably for another 2 years or so whilst we see how the 19/20
       year olds progress.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Be interesting to see where Asher ends up. We still have him
       down as a 3 but he played 1 in the U20s world cup and partnered
       with Fasogbon.
       #Post#: 114284--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Banstead Quin
       Date: October 19, 2023, 9:45 am
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       Shame Collier hasn't been able to maintain his fitness/place in
       the squad as he is great defensively in the scrum as well as
       attack. Plus the guaranteed tries!!!
       #Post#: 114289--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 19, 2023, 11:29 am
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       --- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
       >
       > TH is a real area of concern
       >
       > Sinkler has been poor since he left us
       > Stuart went backwards after the Australia tour
       > Heyes - Not seen enough of him to sack him off completly but
       unsure if he's going to be what we need
       >
       > I think theres a lot of hopes being pinned on
       Fasognbun/Opuku-Fordjour to be the next ones to come through.
       >
       > So in short, there isn't really anyone massively better and we
       are probably going to see Sinkler/Stuart/Heyes after the RWC,
       probably for another 2 years or so whilst we see how the 19/20
       year olds progress.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I was wondering if Davison might have another shot now he's at a
       team which should perform better. Hadn't realised he's 31
       🤯.
       Sent me down a rabbit hole of Ford-Robinson, Collier, Schonert.
       They're all over 30.
       #Post#: 114293--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: October 19, 2023, 1:36 pm
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       --- Quote from: Yareet link ---
       >
       > I was wondering if Davison might have another shot now he's at
       a team which should perform better. Hadn't realised he's 31
       🤯.
       >
       > Sent me down a rabbit hole of Ford-Robinson, Collier,
       Schonert. They're all over 30.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Ford-Robinson is over 30? I didn't realise he'd been around that
       long!
       #Post#: 114295--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 19, 2023, 2:55 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinky link ---
       >
       > Ford-Robinson is over 30? I didn't realise he'd been around
       that long!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       TBF, only just. He turned 30 last month
       #Post#: 114297--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: October 19, 2023, 5:06 pm
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       --- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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       > TBF, only just. He turned 30 last month
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yeah, I mean it’s not like he’s 31.
       #Post#: 114305--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: Camquin
       Date: October 20, 2023, 3:33 am
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       Jamal's only cap came in a Barbarians match in 2017, when
       several other props were unavailable due to the premiership
       Final the day before.
       He was at Cambridge from 2012, then a season at Pirates in 2014,
       and has been with Premiership sides since 2015.
       I sort of feel if he was going to press on, he would have done
       so by now.
       Lovely chap though.
       #Post#: 114306--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dan Cole...Genuine question!
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: October 20, 2023, 4:03 am
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       --- Quote from: Camquin link ---
       >
       > Jamal's only cap came in a Barbarians match in 2017, when
       several other props were unavailable due to the premiership
       Final the day before.
       > He was at Cambridge from 2012, then a season at Pirates in
       2014, and has been with Premiership sides since 2015.
       > I sort of feel if he was going to press on, he would have done
       so by now.
       > Lovely chap though.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       With the age of the props already featured by England in recent
       squads, they will see things out as the others mentioned are the
       same age. Sadly there's not many props in the 23-24 age range
       really making a case so we will probably have another few years
       of the same.  Back row rise I quite fancy 6. Hill, 7 Earl 8
       Mercer. Curry IMO needs to get back to form as so far has been
       lucky to get the starts he has
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