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Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: October 19, 2023, 10:13 am
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> He is so crucial to the England team that I expect he will be
there in 2031.
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He'll be building something special.
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Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: October 19, 2023, 10:58 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> Thanks A222Q, always my favourite point when everyone raves
about Ireland......it's easy when you play less games than the
oppo. Accepting that Sexton was rested more than most
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Indeed. Fascinating fact - Marcus Smith has 140 appearances for
Quins so far and he's 24 years old - 23 games per season since
2017. Sexton has a total of 189 appearances for Leinster in his
15 seasons there. 12.6 games per season. Quite the difference.
They did make him work harder at Racing though - 40 games in 2
seasons!
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Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: #495
Date: October 20, 2023, 1:41 am
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> Sexton played about 5 games for Leinster and maybe 10 games
for Ireland each season for most of his time aside from when he
was at Racing. Faz has had a much harder paper round so I'd be
surprised if he's still going at 36. Wouldn't rule it out
though.
>
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Good point - and thanks for the ray of hope!
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Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: October 20, 2023, 2:56 am
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Geech thinks fazlet can be England Coach.....
Why Owen Farrell has all the attributes to one day become
England coach
The sight of the great player sitting in the stands with
Saracens coach Mark McCall is one that should please every rugby
fan
SIR IAN MCGEECHAN
24 April 2022 • 8:00am
Sir Ian McGeechan
Saracens Director of Rugby Mark McCall talks with Owen Farrell
before the Gallagher Premiership Rugby match between Saracens
and Harlequins
Owen Farrell and Mark McCall sat and watched the Sale Sharks and
Leicester Tigers clash together recently CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
The presence of Owen Farrell alongside Saracens coach Mark
McCall in the stands for the recent games against Sale Sharks
and Leicester Tigers attracted a huge amount of comment, but was
it really a surprise? Farrell is approaching 31, injured, has a
father, Andy, who has successfully transitioned from being a
player to an accomplished coach, and has a famously acute rugby
brain. It makes sense that Saracens would want to make use of
that, and it looks like Farrell may be eyeing a move into the
coaches’ box when his playing days are over.
He is a formidably intense character whose life has been steeped
in rugby. His uncle, cousins and grandfather were professional
rugby league players, and his father was just 17 when Owen was
born, so his formative years were spent around Wigan, the most
incredible rugby league team that this country has produced. He
would have absorbed the culture, the environment, the
competitiveness of his father’s team-mates – men like Shaun
Edwards and Denis Betts, plus former or future union
internationals Martin Offiah, Frano Botica, Jason Robinson,
Va’aiga Tuigamala, Brian Carney and Henry Paul.
That rugby league background was crucial because he grew up with
an appreciation of professional sport, and also because league
gives players an additional perspective. When I was a teacher I
would teach kids league until they were 11 because it really
drilled in one-on-one skills such as passing, tackling and
running lines, and you could see that in the young Owen Farrell.
Stuart Lancaster, who was then England age-grade coach,
certainly saw it early and rated Farrell incredibly highly. So
did Brendan Venter at Saracens, who made Farrell the youngest
player to appear in English professional rugby when he made his
first Sarries appearance the week after his 17th birthday in
2008 (his record was to be beaten soon afterwards by his close
friend from Wigan, George Ford).
It was clear from the moment he appeared that his game
understanding and ability to read play were outstanding, which
is why he has also been a successful inside centre. He is
adaptable and understands every facet of the game, which is why
he is able to play in such a variety of styles, from the
free-running, innovative game plan under Lancaster and in Eddie
Jones’s early days, to the more structured, defensively focused
style of Saracens, and then the high-intensity, territory-based
game of Warren Gatland’s Lions. I never coached him for the
Lions myself, but I know from conversations that he was not only
a natural leader on tour – which was why Gatland insisted on
taking him in 2013 and 2017 – but he was an invaluable sounding
board.
British and Irish Lions flyhalf Owen Farrell, centre, talks with
assistant coach Rob Howley and head coach Warren Gatland, right,
during the captains run in Auckland, New Zealand, Friday, June
23, 2017.
Warren Gatland valued Owen Farrell as an important sounding
board during their Lions tours together CREDIT: AP
He is a player with whom coaches can have really meaningful,
worthwhile conversations.
Notwithstanding outliers such as Steve Borthwick, I always think
that the best coaches are those who have played in the
decision-making area of the “middle five”, the back row and
half-backs. They need to have the most acute footballing sense,
to understand the dynamics of tight five, centres and back
three. As well as his ability, game understanding and leadership
qualities, Farrell also has that positional aspect to his
credit, and he is also at the right club for taking his first
steps into coaching. Under Mark McCall, Saracens are very tight
knit, stable and have a really identifiable ethos.
It looks like the chemistry with McCall is good; not only that
but his rapport with individual players throughout the team
seems really strong. There is an inbuilt respect there. Farrell
never takes a backward step, has captained England, is a
three-time Lion, and is clearly held in high regard by his peers
– if the words of Sarries’ Springbok prop Vincent Koch are any
guide.
“He does sit with the leadership group,” said Koch of Farrell.
“He’s got an unbelievable rugby brain and when you sit up there
[in the coaches’ box] you can see a lot more things. The coaches
have pulled him in to help the players, as well, and you don’t
have to just listen to the coaches, there is a player that can
help you as well. He is perfect being there right now, the
connection between the coaches and the players.”
Owen Farrell runs past New Zealand's Scott Barrett during the
Rugby World Cup semifinal at International Yokohama Stadium
between New Zealand and England in Yokohama, Japan
Farrell is hugely respected across the rugby world CREDIT: AP
The question is how to progress that desire to become a coach.
How he is managed is important because I believe he could one
day be England coach.
When his playing days draw to a close, it would make sense if
Sarries and the Rugby Football Union got together and planned a
three to five-year development programme.
With the young England coaches around at present, a co-ordinated
programme of experience and development would reap rich rewards.
That could include some experience of coaching in New Zealand.
Many of the best coaches have tested themselves by moving
abroad, and no one thinks more deeply about the game than the
Kiwis.
After he lost the job as England coach, Stuart Lancaster went to
New Zealand, Australia and, I think, South Africa, and it
improved him immeasurably as a coach, laying the foundations for
his success with Leinster.
Ronan O’Gara is now achieving great things at La Rochelle, but
he says the making of him was working as assistant to Scott
Robertson at the Crusaders. In particular a moment when
Robertson suffered a spate of injuries but simply said that he
would play his best young players regardless of size and trust
their skills was what ROG described as his lightbulb moment.
La Rochelle's Irish coach Ronan O'Gara takes part in a warm-up
session ahead of the European Rugby Champions Cup round of 16
rugby union match between Gloucester and La Rochelle at the
Kingsholm Stadium in Gloucester,
Ronan O'Gara is just one of many coaches who have benefited from
working abroad CREDIT: AFP
That widening of experience is an important stage in the
development of coaches. I think of players I know who were
always going to make coaches, and they have gone abroad to play
or coach: Gregor Townsend, for instance, played in England,
South Africa and for three different French teams; Mike Blair,
who is being groomed to be a future Scotland coach, played in
England and France. Steve Borthwick was Japan forwards coach at
the 2015 World Cup under Eddie Jones. The New Zealanders also
see the value – both Graham Henry and Steve Hansen came to
Europe, as I believe Robertson may also do one day.
There is little doubt that Farrell has all the attributes
necessary to one day become an excellent coach at both club and
international level, as his father has already done. I suspect
we have decades more of the Farrells at the top end of rugby,
which can only be a good thing.
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Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: October 20, 2023, 3:25 am
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Could be controversial but if he’s got such a brilliant rugby
brain, how come he doesn’t use it on the pitch.
#Post#: 114304--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: October 20, 2023, 3:27 am
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--- Quote from: A222Quin link ---
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> Indeed. Fascinating fact - Marcus Smith has 140 appearances
for Quins so far and he's 24 years old - 23 games per season
since 2017. Sexton has a total of 189 appearances for Leinster
in his 15 seasons there. 12.6 games per season. Quite the
difference. They did make him work harder at Racing though - 40
games in 2 seasons!
>
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Wow! Would love to do that across the whole Ireland set up, when
I get the time. So by next Christmas, Smith could have more
appearances and be 13 years younger.
Mad, just mad but clearly explains why Leinster do well in
Europe and Ireland have been able to improve in the last 4
years.
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Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: D-Quins
Date: October 20, 2023, 12:46 pm
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Just correcting the line
The sight of the great better than average player sitting in the
stands with Saracens coach Mark McCall is one that should please
every rugby fan
#Post#: 114327--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: DOK
Date: October 20, 2023, 1:38 pm
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> Under Mark McCall, Saracens are very tight knit, stable and
have a really identifiable ethos.
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That would be "win at all costs! In fact ignore the costs!"
#Post#: 115209--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: Ignoramus
Date: November 10, 2023, 6:07 pm
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> I'm just looking forward to when Owen does retire from
international rugby and loses his hold over England.
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> I'm certain... that Owen created a toxic environment and was a
control freak who stifled everyone around him.
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Well, you certainly have a clear and focused hypothesis. Let's
see what happens.
#Post#: 115361--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care on Owen Farrell...
DIR By: Bucksquin
Date: November 13, 2023, 9:22 am
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Does anyone think that Danny's OTT eulogies suggest he is maybe
being sarcastic ...?
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