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Re: Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: January 18, 2019, 5:12 am
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HTML https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/13/poll-one-in-five-private-voters-have-changed-their-mind-on-brexit
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Re: Brexit
By: Date: January 18, 2019, 6:45 am
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Yes I’ve met people who have since changed both from Leave to
Remain and from Remain to Leave. Many people on I’ve met both
sides of the fence are also fed up with channels like the BBC
reporting and showing a clear and blatant one sided view of
things which only pushes people further away.
General consensus I’ve come to find is people just want the
government and MP’s do what’s best for the country, drop party
bias and get on with leaving and working together to find the
best solution/s to do just that
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Re: Brexit
By: guest257 Date: January 18, 2019, 7:32 am
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I talk to a few colleagues about Brexit a bit, who have been
pretty engaged with it. Other conversations have been with just
close friends and family. I don't know anyone that has changed
their mind and this includes leavers and remainers, aside from
one who voted remain who is fed up with EU inflexibility and
threatens to vote leave if there was another vote. not sure he
would actually do so though when push comes to shove.
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Re: Brexit
By: guest257 Date: January 18, 2019, 7:44 am
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[quote author=deadlyfrom5yardsout
link=topic=616.msg14916#msg14916 date=1547809628]
It seems that the assumption is people who voted Leave have now
been better informed and many will now vote to remain. Is this
not possibly true vice versa?
[/quote]
Whilst I don't have evidence to support this, my guess is
probably yes. I think the EU hasn't shown itself in a great
light dealing with this process, and they haven't engaged and
tried to understand what the problem was and reached out better
to avoid a mess (whether they should have or not is another
question - but I think they should have). They don't
get/understand Brexit - and they've made no attempt to
understand what led to it. Then there's the whole hard line
their taking with Italy and problems in France etc - wouldn't
surprise me if people had been turned off the concept!
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Re: Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: January 20, 2019, 3:42 am
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WEll if there is another referendum I will deffo vote to Leave
even though I'm a Remoaner becuse that respects the original
democratic vote.
Should such a referendum return yet another Leave result whither
Parliament?
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Re: Brexit
By: Boonie Date: January 20, 2019, 2:23 pm
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[quote author=Everyone’s a Quinner
link=topic=616.msg14927#msg14927 date=1547815533]
General consensus I’ve come to find is people just want the
government and MP’s do what’s best for the country, drop party
bias and get on with leaving and working together to find the
best solution/s to do just that
[/quote]
But what if "doing what is best for the country" and "leaving"
are at opposite ends of the spectrum? What if leaving is not the
best thing for the country? There are clearly many MPs who are
conflicted because of this.
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Re: Brexit
By: Date: January 22, 2019, 1:36 am
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[quote author=Boonie link=topic=616.msg15164#msg15164
date=1548015828]
But what if "doing what is best for the country" and "leaving"
are at opposite ends of the spectrum? What if leaving is not the
best thing for the country? There are clearly many MPs who are
conflicted because of this.
[/quote]
Boonie, with the greatest of respect my friend, what is for
certain is that we are leaving. What I mean/t by “do what’s best
for our country” is to do what’s best with the options we have,
it’s up to the MP’s/Gov/Parliament to come together and do
what’s best for their country with what they have to choose from
in terms of leaving and moving forward.
I’ll get slated for this and I do understand it is a complete
different subject and context but in reality the decision making
process and finding of solution remains the same:
Fruit pastels.
Many peoples 1st choice is the strawberry flavour, a good many
other people’s 1st choice is the blackberry flavour. Once those
two are out of the picture or packet, there leaves us more meet
in the middle options to chose from. There is only lemon, orange
and lime left to choose and collectively they and we have to
decide what’s best out of those options both in terms for our
country now and also going forward into the future.
A big thing through all of this from the start on both sides was
belief in our country and unity. Both of these things are needed
going forward. We will get through this and prosper, no matter
how much some selected media channels like to tell us we won’t.
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Re: Brexit
By: BedfordshireBoy Date: January 24, 2019, 10:42 am
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One way of ensuring a No Deal Brexit is to constructively work
towards a deal instead of all of this playing politics.
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Re: Brexit
By: guest257 Date: January 29, 2019, 2:55 am
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If we are into analogies then my favourite is the Lego one.
Imagine you and your 27 classmates have been building a city out
of Lego for many years. It’s large and complex. Suddenly you
decide to tell your classmates you don’t want to play any more
and you want your blue Lego bricks back. You expect them to
immediately accommodate you even though taking the blue bricks
away will destroy some of the things that you’ve all agreed to
build together. Instead of being accommodating and pragmatic
about arranging this and taking responsibility for the
difficulties your decision has caused others you kick up a real
tantrum and demand your bricks back immediately and say that you
never ever want to play with them again, even though there are a
number of other games that you enjoy. You expect them to clear
up the mess and do the hard work in rearranging things for you.
You’re a bit of a plonker really and need to grow up.
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Re: Brexit
By: Date: January 29, 2019, 8:43 am
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[quote author=alexfromlondon link=topic=616.msg15753#msg15753
date=1548752144]
If we are into analogies then my favourite is the Lego one.
Imagine you and your 27 classmates have been building a city out
of Lego for many years. It’s large and complex. Suddenly you
decide to tell your classmates you don’t want to play any more
and you want your blue Lego bricks back. You expect them to
immediately accommodate you even though taking the blue bricks
away will destroy some of the things that you’ve all agreed to
build together. Instead of being accommodating and pragmatic
about arranging this and taking responsibility for the
difficulties your decision has caused others you kick up a real
tantrum and demand your bricks back immediately and say that you
never ever want to play with them again, even though there are a
number of other games that you enjoy. You expect them to clear
up the mess and do the hard work in rearranging things for you.
You’re a bit of a **** really and need to grow up.
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That doesn’t really reflect on what is going on though does it.
Nor is that helpful in any way. And I wouldn’t call 2 years
immediate either. When it’s something as trivial as a game then
yeah I can see how that would be unreasonable however in real
adult life we are having to follow EU sanctions and regulations
to which we have in part had enough of.
The direction the EU is going regarding armies etc isn’t where
we want to go. Also everybody has a right to change their mind,
just because you are a part of something doesn’t mean you can’t
have a freedom of choice to change your mind. I find that way of
thinking unhelpful and disruptive towards actually progressing
through this in a positive and grown up manner. We aren’t asking
for all our money back (or bricks). The money (or bricks) we
have already given to the EU (or in your case, a little toddlers
tower), they can keep that. We are simply not wishing to keep
building this little toddlers tower higher than its own good, as
it’s looking ready to topple. We do not wish to carry on in
this way and do not wish to be a part of the European Union. It
doesn’t mean we aren’t part of Europe in itself.
To conclude things by saying “You’re a bit of a **** really and
need to grow up” is both very immature, very unfair and very
aggressive for someone who is just voicing an opinion, like we
are all free to do. I’d like to also point out that your
concluding comment really does mirror your whole paragraphs
attitude and manner in which you’ve voiced this with a lack of
any decency or maturity.
We’ll agree to disagree. Regards
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