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Re: Brexit
By: BedfordshireBoy Date: December 20, 2018, 6:01 am
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[quote author=deadlyfrom5yardsout
link=topic=616.msg12820#msg12820 date=1545301133]
69 minutes....
[/quote]
Yes, a bit of waffle at the start.
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Re: Brexit
By: BedfordshireBoy Date: January 15, 2019, 3:21 pm
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So what now I wonder?
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Re: Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: January 16, 2019, 12:36 pm
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Win the Confidence vote, talk to MP's on all sides, fail to find
a concensus, crash out with No Deal on 29th March.
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Re: Brexit
By: BedfordshireBoy Date: January 16, 2019, 2:38 pm
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Difficult to see any other outcome.
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Re: Brexit
By: guest257 Date: January 17, 2019, 2:38 am
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Whoa. Seriously? Only a small % of MPs support no deal. It’s way
too disruptive on even the most basic day-to-day level. I can’t
see no deal being accepted by parliament.
Therefore....the problem is there isn’t much time to sort
anything else out. Article 50 won’t be rescinded but will have
to be delayed. The only way the EU will agree to extend it is
for an election or a referendum and it’s clear an election won’t
happen right now.
Therefore IMO it’ll break down at the last minute and the only
way out will be for an exasperated May to extend article 50 with
the promise of a referendum.
I’m fuming that both sides couldn’t compromise. An EFTA style
arrangement would mean we have close ties and can strike
independent trade deals. We’d be out of the EU.
Anything else is bluster. Remainers should have worked harder to
pursue a more mutually agreeable compromise; leavers should have
acknowledged the narrow margin of victory and the need to engage
and compromise and that their vision of the U.K. in the 1950s is
a warped fantasy.
Bunch of idiots.
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Re: Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: January 17, 2019, 4:16 am
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Problem is that there is no concensus for any alternative to the
"deal". Corbyn holds the key to it all.
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Re: Brexit
By: Everyone’s a Quinner Date: January 17, 2019, 4:18 am
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Corbyn showing his true colours...
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Re: Brexit
By: Boonie Date: January 17, 2019, 5:45 am
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I'd still like to know exactly what deals we are going to strike
with other countries.
Compared to where we were forty or fifty years ago, we have
little or no manufacturing. Yes, we have some high end stuff,
but no mass manufacturing, that's all far east or eastern Europe
these days. We have an excellent service economy, but for things
like Financial services, we already trade with pretty much
everyone we need to. The EU is far and away our biggest trading
partner, and we're in the enviable position of having a free
trade deal with no painful Customs checks (I've been in
international logistics for over 30 years, and I remember only
too well the additional work involved in import/export before
the borders came down in the early 1990s). As a member of one of
the world's largest trading blocs, we are insulated from a lot
of the issues around security of supply of both goods/utilities
and currency fluctuations. As an isolated state, we are not.
Example - after the Neverendum Referendum, I heard someone
saying something about "at last, we'll be able to buy New
Zealand lamb again". We already do; almost half of all our lamb
comes from NZ already. But we don't eat the kinds of lamb we
produce in the UK; a massive proportion is sold to the EU
because they eat cuts that we don't. That's just one example.
Others - I asked a serious question about the benefits of Brexit
to a staunch Leaver. The argument eventually boiled down to not
liking energy saving lightbulbs "imposed on us from Brussels",
and that the EU was run by "bandits". Boris has talked about
straight bananas, conveniently forgetting that prior to joining
the Common Market, we had something called the Weights and
Measures Act which defined all the same things - the EU version
is a cobbled together version of our Act plus some of the other
EU country versions. I hear problems about us being "rule
takers". If we leave with no deal, and we want to trade with our
biggest trading partner, we will have to obey all those tiresome
EU directives that have aggravatingly led to safer products,
reductions in harmful chemicals, lead paint on children's toys,
and a hundred other inconveniences such as not being able to
pump raw sewage onto leisure beaches and rights for workers. As
soon as you leave, you become a rule taker; if you are inside,
then you have a say as to what is in those rules, and when you
implement them.
The EU is far from perfect. If the choice had been to leave the
political elements of the EU but retain the Customs Union and
Free Market, I'd have taken that...but the baby has well and
truly been thrown out with the bathwater here, and despite
protestations, I am not sure that every single person who voted
to leave considered all of the implications. Staying in would
always have left the option of leaving at a future date. Leaving
burns your bridges - the chances of getting back in with all the
elements we negotiated is unlikely.
The worst aspect is the paralysis of government over the last
three years. So much more positive stuff could have been done if
we had not been mired in this utter shambles.
Anyway...I await the next chapter with a barely concealed yawn
and no expectation of anything good coming from this.
Rant over.
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Re: Brexit
By: Fearless Fred Date: January 17, 2019, 6:30 am
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The problem with that scenario is that an extension to Art 50
requires the agreement of the other 27 EU members, and they've
already said that they will only agree to that if the extension
is for a) UK Parliament to sign off on the current WA or b) a
change in the UK Gov negotiating position (removing or altering
the UK-defined red lines enough to mean that a significantly
different WA can be agreed. They may agree in the case of a
referendum on the final deal, but if a General Election were to
be called, there's absolutely no guarantee that the EU27 will
agree to an extension. A revocation of Art 50 requires only the
UK Government.
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Re: Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: January 18, 2019, 5:07 am
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It seems that the assumption is people who voted Leave have now
been better informed and many will now vote to remain. Is this
not possibly true vice versa?
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