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       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: DazzaS
       Date: August 14, 2020, 11:34 am
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       How are the leave voters feelng now with the direction leaving
       the EU is going?
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       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Twickersman
       Date: August 18, 2020, 11:48 am
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       > How are the leave voters feeling now with the direction
       leaving the EU is going?
       >
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       What direction are you talking about?
       Last time I checked the papers we are on the cusp of signing a
       trade deal with whatever remains of the EU after this virus
       pandemic.
       We are also signing deals with South Korea, Japan and a lot of
       other countries.
       I saw talk the other day of signing up to an anglosphere deal
       with the US, Canada, NZ and Aus. The combined single market
       would be substantially bigger than the EU and in markets that
       are growing.
       Also, that deal would not mean having an undemocratic executive
       and a box-ticking secondary parliament.
       We will be reclaiming our boarders, this will cause some issues
       to my business especially with a no-deal. However, I will adapt
       and keep calm and carry on.
       What amazes me is that remoners are still remoaning.
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       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: dr_miles
       Date: August 19, 2020, 1:10 am
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       --- Quote from: Twickersman link ---
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       > What amazes me is that remoners are still remoaning.
       >
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       Not sure that this should surprise you. Europhobes spent 40+
       years agitating to split from the European market organisation
       in its various forms. It shouldn’t really be a shock that
       Europhiles hold similarly strong views, albeit in the opposite
       direction, and will hold them for a similarly long time.
       #Post#: 47241--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: August 19, 2020, 5:50 am
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       I firmly believe that the British spirit of ingenuity, talent,
       intellect and just plain hard work will flourish away from the
       EU's restrictive centralism. Yes we have to be environmentally
       aware and yes we cannot be gung ho but we as a Nation have a
       great deal to offer.
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       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Twickersman
       Date: August 19, 2020, 5:51 am
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       --- Quote from: dr_miles link ---
       >
       > Not sure that this should surprise you. Europhobes spent 40+
       years agitating to split from the European market organisation
       in its various forms. It shouldn’t really be a shock that
       Europhiles hold similarly strong views, albeit in the opposite
       direction, and will hold them for a similarly long time.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I am no ravid BREXIT supporter. I was torn, I run a business
       that export to the world, but also a lot to Germany, Holland and
       Italy. I am all for European trade and such a free trade deal.
       Just not a EU Government / Supernational parliament / defence /
       taxes etc...
       I just wish people would get behind the whole process and make
       sure we have the support for trade deal.
       #Post#: 47269--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: dr_miles
       Date: August 19, 2020, 7:27 am
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       Why should people get behind something that they don’t want,
       don’t agree with and didn’t vote for?
       It doesn’t mean that I don’t want it to be successful, but I’m
       not on board with it as an idea and it’s not on me to make it
       succeed - it’s those who campaigned for it and won to deliver.
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       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Twickersman
       Date: August 19, 2020, 7:46 am
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       --- Quote from: dr_miles link ---
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       > Why should people get behind something that they don’t want,
       don’t agree with and didn’t vote for?
       >
       > It doesn’t mean that I don’t want it to be successful, but I’m
       not on board with it as an idea and it’s not on me to make it
       succeed - it’s those who campaigned for it and won to deliver.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I am asking this honestly, but what exactly do you not agree
       with? Lack of freedom of movement, control of our laws by the EU
       Court, Law being made by a commission that is not elected?
       I am very interested in the what it is you are going to miss?
       #Post#: 47285--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: dr_miles
       Date: August 19, 2020, 10:02 am
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       Freedom of movement is the main thing that affects me
       personally. I am moving to Spain this week, which has had to be
       brought forward in our plans because of the end of year cut off
       to take residency.
       I am aware that it is possible to achieve residency without
       living in the EU, and that lots of people do it, but the process
       is longer and the bar is higher than it is currently, and it is
       also country specific.
       The wider points about “taking back control” were all vague at
       best, and the issues about money were at best disingenuous, or
       at worst were outright lies.
       We had control of our borders, we always could veto laws, we
       opted out of a single currency and so any further integration of
       defence or similar would have been up for debate as well. I
       believe that we have benefited from the increase in
       environmental and trading standards, and that we were a stronger
       player in the market than we will be outside of it. The UK never
       really took being in the EU particularly seriously - turnout at
       the European elections was always low, general sharing of
       information about the EU was poor. If we had wanted to know or
       to have more of a say then the options were there, We just
       didn’t take them.
       The EU certainly isn’t perfect, but it wasn’t broken. The UK
       opted to quit as a result of lies and false information, and we
       will be weaker as a result. It’s caused division in the UK and
       will lead to the break up of the Union. It’s cost billions
       already, will cost billions more and will damage the economy.
       But maybe I should ask you - what specific laws did you disagree
       with? What was so bad that quitting the whole thing was the only
       answer?
       #Post#: 47289--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Twickersman
       Date: August 19, 2020, 10:28 am
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       Fair enough.
       As a student of history and politics, I tend to value Democracy
       very highly.
       One of the reasons the UK public had an indefirence to EU
       elections, is that the posts that were being on voted for, were
       for MEPs in the Secondary reviosonary chamber. They had little
       or now difference in the direction.
       I do not like the idea of being part of a European Super state.
       It was that that scared me and the lack of democracy.
       I do not plan on living abroad and will set that up if I need
       to.
       Good luck with your move. I hope it is a good one.
       #Post#: 47327--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: August 20, 2020, 3:48 am
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       Sovereignty. It is our Independence Day.
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