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Re: Brexit
DIR By: Quinky
Date: December 1, 2019, 5:21 pm
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> I'm not sure your Gender Equality thoughts (on this board and
others) are wholly based on fairness.
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I'm yet to meet anyone (feminists especially) who seem to have a
clear view of what "gender equality" really is. The usual
diatribe is "more women" and "more money for women". No
substance, no reasoning, just repetition of the mantra.
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: December 4, 2019, 3:18 am
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> I'm yet to meet anyone (feminists especially) who seem to have
a clear view of what "gender equality" really is. The usual
diatribe is "more women" and "more money for women". No
substance, no reasoning, just repetition of the mantra.
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Luckily no one has done any work to define this at all:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: December 6, 2019, 3:41 am
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Talking of tactical voting I shall nail my colours to the mast.
I simply cannot support the essentially 2 party system we have
here in the UK. We absolutely have to move to a more consensual
form of politics with Proportional Representation. I normally
look for a good solid Independent who understands and supports
local issues and give them my support. However, because one must
study the issues current at the time and really try to avoid
voting along Presidential style politics for personalities, I
shall be voting for BoJo. I voted Remain in the Referendum but
this election is a single issue one about Brexit because the
Establishment simply would not allow the voice of the people to
be heard in the Leave result. I strongly believe that you cannot
keep having another vote until you get your desired result so I
will be voting BoJo to Leave to honour the result of the
Referendum. Whether I will ever vote Tory again is another
matter.
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: December 6, 2019, 3:42 am
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Oh, and if I hear one more person say that those who voted
Leave did not know what they voted for I shall scream and scream
until I am sick
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: December 18, 2019, 9:25 am
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Told you!
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: Quinky
Date: December 22, 2019, 9:54 am
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> Luckily no one has done any work to define this at all:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality
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And that doesn't disprove my point - I've never MET anyone who
has a clear view other than mumbling about "equal numbers".
It's an interesting definition though - "the state of equal ease
of access to resources and opportunities regardless of gender".
This is perfectly reasonable and I don't know anyone who would
disagree with it. But this won't sate the majority of so-called
feminists, who want e.g. equal numbers of women on company
boards. That's equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity.
Equal chances to achieve don't necessarily guarantee equal
achievements.
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: quinalan
Date: February 17, 2020, 7:31 am
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I'm not sure Proportional Representation is particularly fair
either, look atbthe recent Irish election. They still dont know
the outcome & it will come down to horse trading & private
deals. I'd rather have our system.
Didnt realise this thread was here!
Leave voter here & I know exactly what I voted for! Voted for
Boris & the conservative majority. We simply need to sort out
the mess of the last three & a half years. It has left quite a
malaise which is going to take a while to recover from.
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: Twickersman
Date: February 28, 2020, 5:02 am
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If we had proportional representation, we would still be in the
mess like the May years of government.
Look at our neighbours in Europe. Spain cannot appoint a
government, Germany has struggled to cobble together a working
majority, Italy...well Italy is Italy!
At least with first past the post, we now have a government that
can get on with moving this country into the future.
As a leave voter, I am delighted with what Johnson is doing. As
a business owner that exports to the EU, I am not too worried.
In the end, we will get a deal, I just wish we could cut out the
wasted hours of political gamesmanship. Let's get a move on and
get planning for the future.
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: April 25, 2020, 7:48 am
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Is Boris Johnson betting on a tight Brexit deadline to get him
the bare bones trade deal he wants, despite the risk of
dramatically compounding the economic damage of the coronavirus
pandemic?
Downing Street last week again refused to extend the Brexit
transition period beyond the end of this year, even though
coronavirus forced the cancellation of the last two planned
rounds of trade negotiations with Brussels.
Coronavirus put David Frost, the UK’s top Brexit official, and
his counterpart Michel Barnier, into isolation and destroyed the
already tight schedule to finalise a trade agreement.
UK and EU negotiators will today begin a week of fully-fledged
online negotiations this week. There are another two virtual
rounds of talks planned before the July deadline for Britain to
request an extension of up to two years.
David Frost, the UK’s top Brexit official, told his counterpart
Michel Barnier in a call last week that the UK would never ask
for an extension to the end 2020 deadline for the talks to be
finalised.
He added that If the EU was to request a delay to the end of the
transition period, which effectively deep freezes the UK’s
membership of the single market and customs union after Brexit,
Britain would refuse because it was not in the “national
interest”.
Trade experts and EU sources are sceptical that the
videoconference negotiations can be as effective as traditional
face to face negotiations. With up to 200 officials dialling in
from different locations, and other government departments
swamped with the coronavirus crisis, progress will be slow, they
claim.
The EU is ready to negotiate the extension and finds it hard to
believe Britain is not, given the huge pressures of the
pandemic.
Diplomats in Brussels believe the refusal to extend is purely
for domestic consumption. By ramping up the pressure and the
stakes, they say, the eventual deal will seem all the more
miraculous, which will provide useful cover for British caving
and placate Brexiteers.
Today at the commission’s daily press conference, the chief
spokesman suggested the deadline could still be delayed.
Although a membership fee will have to be negotiated, the EU,
which itself is precoccupied with the pandemic, is likely to
demand a lower price than the UK normally pays each year.
David Frost, the UK's top Brexit negotiator. Michel Barnier, his
counterpart, is ready to negotiate an extension to the
transition period Credit: AP
The divides between both sides over the free trade agreement are
deep. The UK wants a Canada-style trade deal, which removes most
tariffs but would allow Britain to diverge from EU rules, and a
separate fisheries deal, with catches negotiated on an annual
basis.
Divergence is, depending on your politics, one of the great
prizes or dangers of Brexit. Either way, Brexit without
divergence is a fundamentally pointless exercise.
Brussels is pushing for an umbrella agreement that would
encompass a zero tariff on goods trade deal, a status quo
fishing deal, and security and foreign policy cooperation.
The price for this deeper relationship, which the UK did sign up
to in the non-binding political declaration that accompanied the
Withdrawal Agreement, is a series of commitments to match EU
rules and regulations on tax, state aid, labour rights and the
environment.
The more comprehensive the eventual agreement is, the longer the
negotiations can be expected to take. The UK may calculate that
a shorter deadline will yield the more basic agreement it seeks,
which could be added to over time.
Brussels has ruled out agreeing a string of separate deals with
Britain but it will also be reluctant to risk the blame for a no
deal by refusing to agree a bare bones trade agreement. Any
agreement with the EU, no matter how basic, will have some
strings attached.
The economic risks of leaving the transition period without a
replacement trade deal with the EU, the UK’s major trading
partner, are huge and exacerbated by the impact of coronavirus
on the economy.
But the fact is trading on WTO terms after a no deal would be
far closer to the UK’s preferred vision of the future
relationship with the EU than the deeper trade agreement
Brussels hopes to strike.
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Re: Brexit
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: August 14, 2020, 9:53 am
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> Pound on parity with Euro today. Congratulations Brexiteers,
we’ve finally joined the Euro single currency. You must be
proud!
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> *Shamelessly stolen from Twitter
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> #ProjectFear
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It's a great tweet, but there was never parity? It's about €1.10
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