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#Post#: 27995--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: guest257
Date: September 6, 2019, 2:59 am
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Boris needs to be given the opportunity to deliver the promises
he has made. It’s only fair. An election would be a distraction
and just pave the way for more nationalist run thumping.
Unfortunately he has no plan to deliver anything and has lied
and blagged his way from position to position. Only then have an
election, when performance against promises can be put to the
test. He will, of course fail.
#Post#: 28018--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: Quinky
Date: September 6, 2019, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: alexfromlondon link ---
>
> Boris needs to be given the opportunity to deliver the
promises he has made. It’s only fair. An election would be a
distraction and just pave the way for more nationalist run
thumping. Unfortunately he has no plan to deliver anything and
has lied and blagged his way from position to position. Only
then have an election, when performance against promises can be
put to the test. He will, of course fail.
>
--- End Quote ---
Except he's been blocked from delivering on his promise to
properly negotiate a deal, by having one option barred.
#Post#: 28028--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: guest257
Date: September 6, 2019, 12:10 pm
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That’s sovereignty for you. Parliament is acting as it has been
designed. This is what you wanted, there’s no EU to blame for
this.
Still firmly believe a lurch to the right or left, any sort of
extreme, is not going to work as the country won’t support it
and it won’t get through parliament.
We need moderate sensible compromise, whether that’s staying in
the EU or leaving. There have been ways this could have been
achieved, but there has been neither the will, political skill,
expertise or intelligence to do it.
If Brexit fails they’ve got themselves to blame.
#Post#: 28102--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: Quinky
Date: September 9, 2019, 8:32 am
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--- Quote from: alexfromlondon link ---
>
> That’s sovereignty for you. Parliament is acting as it has
been designed. This is what you wanted, there’s no EU to blame
for this.
>
> Still firmly believe a lurch to the right or left, any sort of
extreme, is not going to work as the country won’t support it
and it won’t get through parliament.
>
> We need moderate sensible compromise, whether that’s staying
in the EU or leaving. There have been ways this could have been
achieved, but there has been neither the will, political skill,
expertise or intelligence to do it.
>
> If Brexit fails they’ve got themselves to blame.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: alexfromlondon link ---
>
> That’s sovereignty for you. Parliament is acting as it has
been designed. This is what you wanted, there’s no EU to blame
for this.
>
> Still firmly believe a lurch to the right or left, any sort of
extreme, is not going to work as the country won’t support it
and it won’t get through parliament.
>
> We need moderate sensible compromise, whether that’s staying
in the EU or leaving. There have been ways this could have been
achieved, but there has been neither the will, political skill,
expertise or intelligence to do it.
>
> If Brexit fails they’ve got themselves to blame.
>
--- End Quote ---
When you have a winner and a loser, you don't have a compromise.
Also, this government will never get a deal through as there is
an opposition which seems to serve one purpose - derail whatever
the government try to do.
The solution is a General Election. See which MPs still have the
support of voters after their actions of the past three years.
The suggestion of compromise is futile. It undermines the
concept of "to the winner, the spoils". It's more "to the
winner, a little appeasement; to the loser, a share of the
prize".
Brexit must happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be
listening to the musings of a three year old. Probably one with
deeply considered views on gender politics.
#Post#: 28202--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: Everyone’s a Quinner
Date: September 12, 2019, 2:31 pm
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In all of this and the difference in opinions we have, we must
surely all agree on one thing:
The Labour Party have been and still are playing games with
Brexit and putting Party before Country. In delaying leaving its
costing £250m to keep us in the EU per week, they admit that
their strategy and Brexit policy *should they win a future
election where we would still be in the EU* is this - Go to the
EU to try to get a better deal than Boris, proceed to have a
referendum where Remain is an option and then campaign for
Remain against their own deal which they would have negotiated
with the EU. Bonkers
#Post#: 28229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: Quinky
Date: September 14, 2019, 8:38 am
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--- Quote from: Everyone’s a Quinner link ---
>
> In all of this and the difference in opinions we have, we must
surely all agree on one thing:
>
> The Labour Party have been and still are playing games with
Brexit and putting Party before Country. In delaying leaving its
costing £250m to keep us in the EU per week, they admit that
their strategy and Brexit policy *should they win a future
election where we would still be in the EU* is this - Go to the
EU to try to get a better deal than Boris, proceed to have a
referendum where Remain is an option and then campaign for
Remain against their own deal which they would have negotiated
with the EU. Bonkers
>
--- End Quote ---
Agree 100%.
#Post#: 28561--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: BedfordshireBoy
Date: September 24, 2019, 5:12 am
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Supreme Court ruling another twist to this never ending tale.
#Post#: 28577--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: Carbonm
Date: September 24, 2019, 12:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Everyone’s a Quinner link ---
>
> In all of this and the difference in opinions we have, we must
surely all agree on one thing:
>
> The Labour Party have been and still are playing games with
Brexit and putting Party before Country. In delaying leaving its
costing £250m to keep us in the EU per week, they admit that
their strategy and Brexit policy *should they win a future
election where we would still be in the EU* is this - Go to the
EU to try to get a better deal than Boris, proceed to have a
referendum where Remain is an option and then campaign for
Remain against their own deal which they would have negotiated
with the EU. Bonkers
>
--- End Quote ---
But no-one can get a deal through Parliament. Therefore the only
options left appear to be no deal which could be disastrous or
take the final choice back to the people to have the final say.
#Post#: 32355--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: November 24, 2019, 5:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> When you have a winner and a loser, you don't have a
compromise. Also, this government will never get a deal through
as there is an opposition which seems to serve one purpose -
derail whatever the government try to do.
>
> The solution is a General Election. See which MPs still have
the support of voters after their actions of the past three
years.
>
> The suggestion of compromise is futile. It undermines the
concept of "to the winner, the spoils". It's more "to the
winner, a little appeasement; to the loser, a share of the
prize".
>
> Brexit must happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be
listening to the musings of a three year old. Probably one with
deeply considered views on gender politics.
>
--- End Quote ---
Democracy doesn’t need to be a Boolean choice. With such a close
result, there was an opportunity to find a balanced solution
before views on both sides became too polarised.
Farage made two points in and around the referendum - that it
might take two referenda to cement the choice and that living
under a Norwegian/EFTA model would be fine. This now seems like
the best solution all round (not in EU and closely linked) and
comes from the (albeit recently recanted) arbiter of the leave
movement. How apposite.
I'm not sure your Gender Equality thoughts (on this board and
others) are wholly based on fairness.
Far too late to this thread, I know, but...
#Post#: 32603--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brexit
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: November 29, 2019, 4:43 am
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So BoJo is heading for a 68 seat majority. Brexit for Xmas
everybody!
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