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       #Post#: 27995--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: guest257
       Date: September 6, 2019, 2:59 am
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       Boris needs to be given the opportunity to deliver the promises
       he has made. It’s only fair. An election would be a distraction
       and just pave the way for more nationalist run thumping.
       Unfortunately he has no plan to deliver anything and has lied
       and blagged his way from position to position. Only then have an
       election, when performance against promises can be put to the
       test. He will, of course fail.
       #Post#: 28018--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: September 6, 2019, 7:59 am
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       --- Quote from: alexfromlondon link ---
       >
       > Boris needs to be given the opportunity to deliver the
       promises he has made. It’s only fair. An election would be a
       distraction and just pave the way for more nationalist run
       thumping. Unfortunately he has no plan to deliver anything and
       has lied and blagged his way from position to position. Only
       then have an election, when performance against promises can be
       put to the test. He will, of course fail.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Except he's been blocked from delivering on his promise to
       properly negotiate a deal, by having one option barred.
       #Post#: 28028--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: guest257
       Date: September 6, 2019, 12:10 pm
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       That’s sovereignty for you. Parliament is acting as it has been
       designed. This is what you wanted, there’s no EU to blame for
       this.
       Still firmly believe a lurch to the right or left, any sort of
       extreme, is not going to work as the country won’t support it
       and it won’t get through parliament.
       We need moderate sensible compromise, whether that’s staying in
       the EU or leaving. There have been ways this could have been
       achieved, but there has been neither the will, political skill,
       expertise or intelligence to do it.
       If Brexit fails they’ve got themselves to blame.
       #Post#: 28102--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: September 9, 2019, 8:32 am
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       --- Quote from: alexfromlondon link ---
       >
       > That’s sovereignty for you. Parliament is acting as it has
       been designed. This is what you wanted, there’s no EU to blame
       for this.
       >
       > Still firmly believe a lurch to the right or left, any sort of
       extreme, is not going to work as the country won’t support it
       and it won’t get through parliament.
       >
       > We need moderate sensible compromise, whether that’s staying
       in the EU or leaving. There have been ways this could have been
       achieved, but there has been neither the will, political skill,
       expertise or intelligence to do it.
       >
       > If Brexit fails they’ve got themselves to blame.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote from: alexfromlondon link ---
       >
       > That’s sovereignty for you. Parliament is acting as it has
       been designed. This is what you wanted, there’s no EU to blame
       for this.
       >
       > Still firmly believe a lurch to the right or left, any sort of
       extreme, is not going to work as the country won’t support it
       and it won’t get through parliament.
       >
       > We need moderate sensible compromise, whether that’s staying
       in the EU or leaving. There have been ways this could have been
       achieved, but there has been neither the will, political skill,
       expertise or intelligence to do it.
       >
       > If Brexit fails they’ve got themselves to blame.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       When you have a winner and a loser, you don't have a compromise.
       Also, this government will never get a deal through as there is
       an opposition which seems to serve one purpose - derail whatever
       the government try to do.
       The solution is a General Election. See which MPs still have the
       support of voters after their actions of the past three years.
       The suggestion of compromise is futile. It undermines the
       concept of "to the winner, the spoils". It's more "to the
       winner, a little appeasement; to the loser, a share of the
       prize".
       Brexit must happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be
       listening to the musings of a three year old. Probably one with
       deeply considered views on gender politics.
       #Post#: 28202--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Everyone’s a Quinner
       Date: September 12, 2019, 2:31 pm
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       In all of this and the difference in opinions we have, we must
       surely all agree on one thing:
       The Labour Party have been and still are playing games with
       Brexit and putting Party before Country. In delaying leaving its
       costing £250m to keep us in the EU per week, they admit that
       their strategy and Brexit policy *should they win a future
       election where we would still be in the EU* is this - Go to the
       EU to try to get a better deal than Boris, proceed to have a
       referendum where Remain is an option and then campaign for
       Remain against their own deal which they would have negotiated
       with the EU. Bonkers
       #Post#: 28229--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: September 14, 2019, 8:38 am
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       --- Quote from: Everyone’s a Quinner link ---
       >
       > In all of this and the difference in opinions we have, we must
       surely all agree on one thing:
       >
       > The Labour Party have been and still are playing games with
       Brexit and putting Party before Country. In delaying leaving its
       costing £250m to keep us in the EU per week, they admit that
       their strategy and Brexit policy *should they win a future
       election where we would still be in the EU* is this - Go to the
       EU to try to get a better deal than Boris, proceed to have a
       referendum where Remain is an option and then campaign for
       Remain against their own deal which they would have negotiated
       with the EU. Bonkers
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Agree 100%.
       #Post#: 28561--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: BedfordshireBoy
       Date: September 24, 2019, 5:12 am
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       Supreme Court ruling another twist to this never ending tale.
       #Post#: 28577--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Carbonm
       Date: September 24, 2019, 12:18 pm
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       --- Quote from: Everyone’s a Quinner link ---
       >
       > In all of this and the difference in opinions we have, we must
       surely all agree on one thing:
       >
       > The Labour Party have been and still are playing games with
       Brexit and putting Party before Country. In delaying leaving its
       costing £250m to keep us in the EU per week, they admit that
       their strategy and Brexit policy *should they win a future
       election where we would still be in the EU* is this - Go to the
       EU to try to get a better deal than Boris, proceed to have a
       referendum where Remain is an option and then campaign for
       Remain against their own deal which they would have negotiated
       with the EU. Bonkers
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       But no-one can get a deal through Parliament. Therefore the only
       options left appear to be no deal which could be disastrous or
       take the final choice back to the people to have the final say.
       #Post#: 32355--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: Bolly-Quin
       Date: November 24, 2019, 5:16 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinky link ---
       >
       > When you have a winner and a loser, you don't have a
       compromise. Also, this government will never get a deal through
       as there is an opposition which seems to serve one purpose -
       derail whatever the government try to do.
       >
       > The solution is a General Election. See which MPs still have
       the support of voters after their actions of the past three
       years.
       >
       > The suggestion of compromise is futile. It undermines the
       concept of "to the winner, the spoils". It's more "to the
       winner, a little appeasement; to the loser, a share of the
       prize".
       >
       > Brexit must happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be
       listening to the musings of a three year old. Probably one with
       deeply considered views on gender politics.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Democracy doesn’t need to be a Boolean choice. With such a close
       result, there was an opportunity to find a balanced solution
       before views on both sides became too polarised.
       Farage made two points in and around the referendum - that it
       might take two referenda to cement the choice and that living
       under a Norwegian/EFTA model would be fine. This now seems like
       the best solution all round (not in EU and closely linked) and
       comes from the (albeit recently recanted) arbiter of the leave
       movement. How apposite.
       I'm not sure your Gender Equality thoughts (on this board and
       others) are wholly based on fairness.
       Far too late to this thread, I know, but...
       #Post#: 32603--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Brexit
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: November 29, 2019, 4:43 am
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       So BoJo is heading for a 68 seat majority. Brexit for Xmas
       everybody!
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