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Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: October 25, 2018, 4:32 am
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Knock yerselves out kids....
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Re: Brexit
By: RodneyRegis Date: October 25, 2018, 4:55 am
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Ha ha we wun
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Re: Brexit
By: BedfordshireBoy Date: October 25, 2018, 7:32 am
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[quote author=RodneyRegis link=topic=616.msg9204#msg9204
date=1540461301]
Ha ha we wun
[/quote]
The Brexit vote?
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Re: Brexit
By: TomBuckQuin Date: October 25, 2018, 1:19 pm
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Think I'll just leave this here:
HTML https://www.docdroid.net/m3YvOS5/brexit-truth-revised.pdf
Assuming anyone actually takes the time to educate themselves,
you'd think the contents of this link would mean a stop to
uninformed, naive Remainer-bashing and a return to some sort of
pragmatic debate. But for some reason I predict a slightly
different response...
Still, this whole Brexit thing is good fun isn't it? ;D
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Re: Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: October 26, 2018, 4:35 am
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Well from what I can make of it, that was quite biased to the
Remainers side of things although it does make some good points.
I seriously hope that all these shark infested "Treaties" are a
little easier to renegotiate than is being mooted. After all, it
is a Treaty conversion not a completely fresh start.
I did vote in the referendum and see no reason to have changed
my mind either way.
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Re: Brexit
By: guest257 Date: October 26, 2018, 6:52 am
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[quote author=deadlyfrom5yardsout link=topic=616.msg9230#msg9230
date=1540546508]
Well from what I can make of it, that was quite biased to the
Remainers side of things although it does make some good points.
I seriously hope that all these shark infested "Treaties" are a
little easier to renegotiate than is being mooted. After all, it
is a Treaty conversion not a completely fresh start.
I did vote in the referendum and see no reason to have changed
my mind either way.
[/quote]
I voted Remain and would do so again. But that's not because of
any particular love for the EU. In fact, the EU itself is a
pretty grotesque beast of an organisation, and the Brussels
elite are well out of touch with reality - it really is another
world over there. The days of big-man politics are over. I'm
actually naturally Eurosceptic and have always been massively
against our possible joining of the Euro.
But I voted Remain because the ideas proposed by the Leave
campaign, IMO, were low calibre, reactionary, and offered no
real positive and realistic vision of an alternative. Our press
has blamed the EU for so many of our self inflicted ills.
Issues now require global co-operation and work - cutting
ourselves off from such an organisation seemed folly to me.
Leave politicians are protest politicians - but like the Greens
and others, it's far easier to campaign for change o specific
areas, but if/when given power and authority to implement them
they wouldn't be able to do the first thing.
I think a no-deal Brexit would be absolutely bonkers. It is the
most stupid proposition - you simply cannot just cut off 40
years of co-operation and regulatory and legal alignment like
that without killing the patient.
What is the answer then? Call it off? - I can't see that
working. Keep delaying? - that won't wash either.
Norway is probably the only practical solution to not disrupt
trade/jobs/flights/NI border. Would that appease the Brexit
ultras - probably not? But it's probably the only workable
compromise in the timeframe.
Norway, or Remain? What is it going to be?
P.S - as an aside I find it deeply amusing that Ireland, for so
long the oppressed neighbour, is holding all the cards here.
The NI border situation is complex and has always been the
spanner in the works. British Imperialism - this one is for
you.
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Re: Brexit
By: Brown Bottle Date: October 26, 2018, 9:25 am
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[quote] I seriously hope that all these shark infested
"Treaties" are a little easier to renegotiate than is being
mooted. After all, it is a Treaty conversion not a completely
fresh start.[/quote]
I think the problem is the existing treaties were negotiated by
the EU whereas the new ones will have to be negotiated by the UK
alone with countries who still have a treaty with the EU. I
don't think we'll be in much of a position to play hardball.
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Re: Brexit
By: deadlyfrom5yardsout Date: October 28, 2018, 4:57 am
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I do think we underestimate the power of our own economy in all
this. We import quite a lot into our wealthy consumer society
and this factor alone is enough to make people want to sit down
and talk. It is not entirely a one way street.
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Re: Brexit
By: Brown Bottle Date: October 29, 2018, 6:15 am
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So negotiating on our own we are stronger than with the other 27
EU member states?
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Re: Brexit
By: guest257 Date: October 29, 2018, 1:12 pm
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I find it hard to see any tangible economic benefit from any
form of Brexit. Every time I ask how things will be better the
answer is either fantasy or simply not economically based. IMO
the problems identified simply aren’t caused by the EU, could
have been addressed whilst part of the EU, and certainly won’t
be dealt with any differently/more easily post Brexit.
I’ve struggled to accept that people’s desire for Brexit is
based on something more than economics. And that they are
prepared to accept short term pain for something longer term. To
me that makes no sense, looking at the facts.
I’d simply love to hear a proper rational argument for Brexit -
how it will make us all more prosperous, with a brighter future
than we have now. I find it incredibly tragic that no-one is
able to articulate this better. If they did, and I caveat this
by saying it must be reality based, they’d be Prime Minister.
The country needs it.
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