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#Post#: 112048--------------------------------------------------
Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: SunburyQuin
Date: August 15, 2023, 2:46 am
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Does anyone know when Farrell's hearing is ?
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: never sleep
Date: August 15, 2023, 3:00 am
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Apparently - today
"Owen Farrell will face a virtual disciplinary hearing on
Tuesday"
I guess that we will hear about it either very late tonight, or
tomorrow morning.
There will likely be some time difference challenges as the
committee are all Australian
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: dinsdale
Date: August 15, 2023, 3:09 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
>
> Apparently - today
>
> "Owen Farrell will face a virtual disciplinary hearing on
Tuesday"
>
> I guess that we will hear about it either very late tonight,
or tomorrow morning.
> There will likely be some time difference challenges as the
committee are all Australian
>
--- End Quote ---
If the committee are honest and diligent, he'll probably get a 5
week ban.
If they are a corrupt bunch of crims looking to help their team
as much as possible in the RWC then he'll get 3.
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: never sleep
Date: August 15, 2023, 3:47 am
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According to RIL:
His previous 3 bans for high tackles were:
2016 - 2 games
2020 - 5 games
2023 - 3 games
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: Fearless Fred
Date: August 15, 2023, 3:55 am
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Given Sydney is currently 10 hours ahead, I would guess that the
hearing is currently underway, and they will announce the result
about lunchtime here.
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: Jonathan Daws
Date: August 15, 2023, 4:11 am
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What ever the decision will be it will be Ford stepping up to
the 10 role with Marcus on the bench.
All the ban length will determine is when & if Owen will be
coming back to take his spot.
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: August 15, 2023, 4:16 am
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I actually don't mind that. Marcus & Danny to come on at 55-60
minutes with a remit to go and win the game. Ford is a kind of
Faz/Marcus hybrid anyway. He can kick it to death or set the 12
off on a rampage so I don't think that's a big issue.
It's the gameplan when they come on that worries me.
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: Jonathan Daws
Date: August 15, 2023, 4:22 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
>
> I actually don't mind that. Marcus & Danny to come on at 55-60
minutes with a remit to go and win the game. Ford is a kind of
Faz/Marcus hybrid anyway. He can kick it to death or set the 12
off on a rampage so I don't think that's a big issue.
>
> It's the gameplan when they come on that worries me.
>
--- End Quote ---
The game plan will not change unless we are getting absolutely
battered scoreboard wise. As for 55-60 minutes that would be a
normal coaches timeframe. I suspect that Borthwick will keep
Ford on for as long as humanly possible with Marcus maybe
getting 5-10 minutes max.
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: August 15, 2023, 4:39 am
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Just read this on Rugby Pass and found it both informative and
amusing:-
Just when you thought it would be safe to go back in, you
watched England play rugby again this weekend, didn’t you? And
like the Sunderland shoreline for those triathlon swimmers, this
red and rosy water has so much floating in it, there’s no way
watching England is good for you.
Yet, as you staggered, dazed and confused away from Twickenham,
or your nearest online subscription service showing the match,
thinking that a win was a win, you were, as you have done a lot
of late, duping yourself into staying in this toxic
relationship.
The chaos and excitement engendered by England’s rear guard
12-man action may have clouded the reality of the situation. For
this is a 15-man team without adventure, without guile or a
disposition to please. This is a team that looks a bit
frightened and uncertain: they kick the ball away, play
percentages and data; they somehow think (at international
level) if you just knock at the defensive door with enough
persistence, the opposition will eventually let you in. They are
not maliciously toxic, just lost as to their own identity and
personality. In truth, they need saving from themselves. To love
England right now is just to be a victim of falling for a rugby
team at the wrong time and in the wrong place. Undeservedly
toxic, but toxic nonetheless.
How did we get here? Well, like any intriguing Facebook update,
it’s complicated. Back in 2012, Stuart Lancaster picked a
ridiculously inexperienced team for his first Six Nations game
against Scotland. In the latest episode of the Rugby Inheritance
podcast, the former England head coach speaks about this in
detail.
“I was picking all the lads that are now 60, 70, 80 cappers, for
their first cap… Owen (Farrell) or George Ford, Anthony Watson,
or Jack (Nowell), Joe Launchbury or (Joe) Marler, Billy
(Vunipola)…Because I always felt England were on an upward
trajectory… In my first game in charge of England (against
Scotland) there were 220 caps in the starting XV… The point I
made to the RFU was that if you stick with this group of
players, they’re going to become 600, 700, 800 cappers by 2019.
Your Dan Carters, your Richie McCaws, your O’Driscolls, your
O’Connells, they’re all gonna finish. These teams are going to
have to go through a transition, as England should only get
better and better.”
In addition, Lancaster capped Henry Slade, Mako Vunipola, Luke
Cowan Dickie and Jamie George before his reign ended prematurely
in 2015. Manu Tuilagi was capped just before he took over in
2011; Dan Cole and Ben Youngs debuted in 2010; Courtney Lawes
was capped all the way back in 2009.
Lancaster will forever be associated with exiting his home World
Cup after the group stages, ignominiously. But he wasn’t
building a team for then. He was building it for 2019. His
vision was longer term than his tenure. He knew that all those
players would be at their peak in Japan and must have looked on
and nodded, sagaciously, as it almost came to glorious fruition
in that final.
Herein lies the subsequent issues. Personalities like England
Rugby’s are not formed by experiencing one piece of relationship
ill fortune, but more a run of compounding situations that
deepen the wound.
Eddie Jones capped players but was crucially different to
Lancaster: he didn’t stick with them. He capped and capped,
giving many players debuts but kept on returning to certain
pre-existing combinations in search of that magic that exhibited
itself so thrillingly in Yokohama against the All Blacks. 2019
should have signalled the beginning of the end for many players.
England should have a team at this World Cup with a majority of
the players being 30/40 cappers, aged between 25 & 28. But Eddie
didn’t quite see (or choose to see) that the squad going to
France wasn’t about this World Cup, but the next one. He only
had eyes for 2023, in an attempt to prove wrong all those who
doubted him.
If he’d been allowed to, he would have tilted hard at the Webb
Ellis Trophy with a very similar XV that had been so cruelly
denied by the ‘Boks four years earlier. This is why we, and
perhaps most pressingly, the inexperienced international coach
Steve Borthwick, are where we are. Shackled, frustrated, trying
very hard to make it through with what we have; playing a game
plan that involves little risk but might, just might, buy him
some time.
And no one is more frustrated than Owen Farrell. Playing in a
side which feels so different to the Saracens team he enjoyed an
eye-catching renaissance with this past season. It looks similar
and has good people in it, but it just isn’t quite right. The
angst seethes out across the training paddock. Team talks are
riddled with it; he looks, to all intents and purposes, like
someone you’d go into any battle with. But Faz is riled up a lot
of the time. Roaring on the field, roaring off the field;
roaring even when he shouldn’t be. He demands a commitment to
every moment that you are experiencing. ‘We will enjoy ourselves
on this team social and if I find out you haven’t enjoyed
yourself, there will be trouble!’ Faz’s England doesn’t feel the
same as, say, Lawes’ England. It’s pent up, at all times.
There’s an edge and players think it’s because it’s England camp
but it’s not. Farrell’s furious heartbeat reverberates off each
and every wall. And that foreboding knell has stifled every
England player into a shadow of their authentic selves.
Owen Farrell was always going to hit someone high. And as that
game lingered on; as Ellis Genge was sent to the bin, only to be
followed by Freddie Steward; as England’s captain cast his mind
over the three halves of rugby that England had played against
Wales (Wales?! Wales?!?! Wales are fooking shi*e!), he was going
to let all that frustration out. In the way we all do when we
reach a breaking point: pressure escapes from your weak spot. If
Farrell has one of those, it is in his inability to bend at the
waist when tackling a player running straight at him. That is
where the feelings burst forth. Yellow turned to red to match
the fury with which things had been allowed to take place.
So, hope, England fans. Hope for a long ban, a ban that makes it
impossible to take one of the national team’s best players to
this year’s World Cup. A ban that allows George Ford to step
into the limelight and take hold of a different England, one
inspired by the less brusque, less brutish, more impish, more
serene son of the North West. Allow Ford to grab England by the
scruff of the neck, like he did Leicester a couple of seasons
ago, and steer them safely to a World Cup semi-final. And while
doing it, give some vital game time to those who should be ready
for 2027.
Because however good Owen Farrell is, he isn’t right for right
now. He should be forever remembered smirking at that All Black
haka, masterminding one of the finest England performances in a
generation. He should be adored for four years ago. But since
then, England have got themselves into a right mess.
And yet, bizarrely, Owen Farrell’s shoulder might just have
saved them.
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Re: Any Mitigation?
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: August 15, 2023, 5:03 am
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Thanks for posting. Decent article.
I'd be perfectly happy with Ford starting ahead of Smith, but if
they're both having to stick to such a dreadful game plan, it
really makes little difference. Just let them run the game and
play as they see it
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