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       England team v Wales
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: August 10, 2023, 6:55 am
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       Joe Marler starts
       No Smith or Walker
       ENGLAND TEAM TO FACE WALES
       Starting
       15. Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 23 caps)
       14. Henry Arundell (Racing 92, 7 caps)
       13. Joe Marchant (Stade Francais, 16 caps)
       12. Ollie Lawrence (Bath Rugby, 11 caps)
       11. Elliot Daly (Saracens, 57 caps)
       10. Owen Farrell (C) (Saracens, 106 caps)
       9. Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers, 13 caps)
       1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 79 caps)
       2. Jamie George (Saracens, 77 caps)
       3. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 26 caps)
       4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 67 caps)
       5. George Martin (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)
       6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 97 caps)
       7. Ben Earl (Saracens, 15 caps)
       8. Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 68 caps)
       Replacements
       16. Theo Dan (Saracens, 1 cap)
       17. Ellis Genge (Bristol Bears, 49 caps)
       18. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 100 caps)
       19. Jonny Hill (Sale Sharks, 20 caps)
       20. Jack Willis (Toulouse, 10 caps)
       21. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 122 caps)
       22. George Ford (Sale Sharks, 82 caps)
       23. Max Malins (Bristol Bears, 19 caps)
       #Post#: 111861--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: ChiddQuin
       Date: August 10, 2023, 6:59 am
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       No Care either.
       #Post#: 111862--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: August 10, 2023, 7:01 am
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       Much better overall for a selection.
       Front row I am happy with. I think Joe will miss out as a
       starter to Genge, but I think Stuart is better for giving a
       stable platform in the scrum than Sinkler, who I think would be
       best as an impact player
       Martin I think needs a big game as I thought last week he looked
       a bit lacking, otherwise I could see Chessum slotting back in
       there once fit.
       No real issues with the backs except the usual grumbles about
       JVP/OF but lets face it Farrell will always be the starting 10.
       Daly I'm not too fussed about for the squad we have to pick
       with. Overall I think with maybe max 4 changes will be the team
       to run out against the Argies
       #Post#: 111863--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: RhubarbAndGustard
       Date: August 10, 2023, 7:30 am
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       At the risk of sounding like a member of the anti-kicking
       brigade, which I am not, Youngs and Ford on the bench instead of
       Care and Smith doesn't suggest it's going to be the most
       entertaining game
       #Post#: 111864--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
       Date: August 10, 2023, 7:35 am
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       I don't think we're going to be entertained until the RWC is
       well over, and even then it's unlikely while Borthwick is in
       charge.
       #Post#: 111865--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: August 10, 2023, 8:40 am
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       Also these are warmups - where possible everyone needs to get a
       game and certain combinations need to have time together.
       #Post#: 111868--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: championes
       Date: August 10, 2023, 1:06 pm
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       Except it’s as close to a starting XV as you can pretty much
       get.
       Smith will be lucky if he makes it to the bench this World Cup.
       And DC may not better his Uruguay appearance.
       #Post#: 111871--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: sussexquin
       Date: August 10, 2023, 1:41 pm
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       --- Quote from: championes link ---
       >
       > Except it’s as close to a starting XV as you can pretty much
       get.
       >
       > Smith will be lucky if he makes it to the bench this World
       Cup.
       >
       > And DC may not better his Uruguay appearance.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Last weeks 8/9/10 looks to have paid for playing the ‘defined’
       team plan which was never their forte. Hopefully they will get a
       better chance during the tournament and not a dead rubber match
       or chasing a lost cause, especially for Danny in his last chance
       World Cup.
       #Post#: 111872--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: Seequin
       Date: August 10, 2023, 2:14 pm
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       Well they had better win and win convincingly at home against a
       weaker Welsh team.
       If they don’t England really are in trouble.
       #Post#: 111880--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England team v Wales
   DIR By: Harleys Evil Step Mum
       Date: August 11, 2023, 5:15 am
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       Thing that makes me laugh is that we are playing a certain
       'style' in order to assure a win.....but we aren't doing that
       either!!!
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