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       #Post#: 111378--------------------------------------------------
       National Anthems
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: July 29, 2023, 5:02 am
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       Well I think New Zealand just edged that one. Interesting both
       anthems sung by men. Always prefer men singing, even when the
       lovely Camilla sung ours.
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: July 29, 2023, 5:58 am
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       Yes, it reminded me of Sir Clive and his "respond by the
       youngest player dropping a leaf" or whatever....
       I think the only thing that depowers the Haka is 60,000(ish)
       English supporters singing "Swing Low"
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: July 29, 2023, 6:20 am
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       --- Quote from: DOK link ---
       >
       > Yes, it reminded me of Sir Clive and his "respond by the
       youngest player dropping a leaf" or whatever....
       > I think the only thing that depowers the Haka is 60,000(ish)
       English supporters singing "Swing Low"
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I liked it when Chabal just growled back. And when Kobus Wiese
       went nose to nose with Lomu.
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: July 29, 2023, 7:02 am
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       Well, I think England could have been closer in score to the All
       Blacks, but that pressure was unrelenting and Australia couldn't
       handle it in the end.
       Having a new untested no 10 didn't help and Australia's
       discipline let them down, 2 yellow cards during the match.
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: Kermitpower
       Date: August 4, 2023, 7:32 am
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       --- Quote from: DOK ---
       > I think the only thing that depowers the Haka is 60,000(ish)
       English supporters singing "Swing Low"
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think the 1989 Irish team might wish to respectfully debate
       that point with you!
  HTML https://youtu.be/weUHwCjeD7s
       I watched the match in a pub in Cardiff.  I was getting a round
       in before kick-off, and the roar that went round the pub when
       they started stomping forwards was insane!  Like everyone else
       still at the bar, I was convinced they'd already started, and
       Ireland had scored an early try!
       They still went on to lose, of course, but all the same, it's a
       really strong counterpoint to the current position of World
       Rugby fining teams for responding! There's a pretty good article
       about it, and a little bit of LinkedIn sleuthing suggests that
       the 13yr old ball boy who ran onto the pitch to point the ref to
       his assistant's raised flag, thus getting an ABs try chalked off
       has gone on to become Head of Corporate and International
       Affairs at the IRFU, so it didn't do him any harm!
  HTML https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/in-1989-ireland-faced-the-haka-and-paid-the-price-1.3699934
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: Quint
       Date: August 4, 2023, 11:16 pm
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: Ozzie
       Date: August 5, 2023, 11:43 am
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       Alternately you could just act like grown ups respect each other
       and get on with it:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-gRbaQeO_Q&ab_channel=AllBlacks
       But each to his own level.
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: August 5, 2023, 12:06 pm
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       --- Quote from: Ozzie link ---
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       > Alternately you could just act like grown ups respect each
       other and get on with it:
       >
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-gRbaQeO_Q&ab_channel=AllBlacks
       >
       > But each to his own level.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Am I right in thinking that teams have to stand and respect the
       glorified morris dancing? They're not allowed to simply ignore
       it?
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: T-Bone
       Date: August 5, 2023, 2:03 pm
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       --- Quote from: Ozzie link ---
       >
       > Alternately you could just act like grown ups respect each
       other and get on with it:
       >
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-gRbaQeO_Q&ab_channel=AllBlacks
       >
       > But each to his own level.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Why should opposing teams respect a marketing gimmick or indulge
       in something designed to give one team a pre-match advantage.
       These guys need to get over themselves and realise they're just
       playing rugby.
       It's like when England get the armed forces in to motivate them.
       You're playing sport, not going to war
       It was nice that at the end of England's anthem today, they
       final note was lower, as it should be. Normally whoever they
       have wailing it at Twickenham finishes on a higher note,
       presumably just to show off their prowess
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       Re: National Anthems
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: August 5, 2023, 5:57 pm
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       The rules are very strict nowadays on how the team can respond
       to the Haka. But apart from pleas to "respect "  the Haka,
       there's nothing they can do for the crowd.
       And actually,it's a trap for the All Blacks because usually the
       Twickenham crowd is very quiet/respectful. The Haka gets
       Twickenham man (and woman and anyone in between) fired up early
       to find their singing voice..
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