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       #Post#: 110300--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: SiB
       Date: June 21, 2023, 10:14 am
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       Well if it’s Racing away it’s unlikely to be at defence arena,
       and would most likely be in Lyon, would be happy with that
       And would like a Friday night in Cardiff, Ulster away is a tough
       ask
       But really hoping it’s Toulouse away then anything after that
       I’ll be ok with
       #Post#: 110302--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: June 21, 2023, 10:35 am
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       --- Quote from: B2Quin link ---
       >
       > Can anyone explain this...
       >
       > Quins site:
       >
       > Enter now for the chance to win a trip for you and a friend to
       come on tour with Harlequins as we travel to a European away
       fixture
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'd guess that Quins are running a competition and the prize is
       for two people to go on tour with Harlequins for one of the away
       fixtures in the European Champions Cup. I could be wrong.
       #Post#: 110306--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: June 21, 2023, 10:58 am
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       --- Quote from: B2Quin link ---
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       > Brown Bottle thanks but...
       >
       > Which European fixture and when, surely I have a right to know
       before entering a competition.
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't think you like this competition much. 😁
       #Post#: 110307--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: Fearless Fred
       Date: June 21, 2023, 11:56 am
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       --- Quote from: SiB link ---
       >
       > Well if it’s Racing away it’s unlikely to be at defence arena,
       and would most likely be in Lyon, would be happy with that
       > And would like a Friday night in Cardiff, Ulster away is a
       tough ask
       > But really hoping it’s Toulouse away then anything after that
       I’ll be ok with
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Why do you think it wouldn't be played at La Defense? The RWC
       will have ended before then, and Lyon is over 400km away from
       Paris. I doubt they'd want to give up home advantage!
       #Post#: 110308--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: Camquin
       Date: June 21, 2023, 12:20 pm
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       Yes, the Premiership Cup happens during the World Cup, or at
       least the pool rounds.
       And we have not even had the pools drawn for that yet, not
       helped by the fact we only have 22 teams standing.
       #Post#: 110312--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: Adrian
       Date: June 21, 2023, 4:22 pm
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       --- Quote from: Fearless Fred link ---
       >
       > Why do you think it wouldn't be played at La Defense? The RWC
       will have ended before then, and Lyon is over 400km away from
       Paris. I doubt they'd want to give up home advantage!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think there are assumptions being made it won't be available
       due to preparations for the Olympics in July.
       #Post#: 110313--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: SiB
       Date: June 21, 2023, 4:28 pm
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       Olympics in July
       [attachment deleted by admin]
       #Post#: 110314--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: euroquin
       Date: June 22, 2023, 2:41 am
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       I found this report in French:
  HTML https://www.francetvinfo.fr/les-jeux-olympiques/jo-2024/jo-2024-le-defi-de-paris-la-defense-arena_5058913.html
       In it Jean-François Lamour "aujourd’hui vice-président d’Ovalto,
       propriétaire de la salle et du Racing 92" (now vice president of
       Ovalto, owners of the arena and of Racing 92) says "On va fermer
       cinq mois à partir de mai 2024" (we're going to close for five
       months from May 2024).
       And the la Défense Arena website has concerts planned up to 8
       December and from 9 March to 10 May as well as Racing games.
       #Post#: 110325--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: euroquin
       Date: June 22, 2023, 4:39 am
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       --- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
       >
       > Well if the pool was seeded we'd be 4th so it's a distinct
       possibility.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This is an interesting comment which led me to do a quick bit of
       statting. I looked at each pool and added up the league
       finishing positions of each team (noting that LI's demise and
       Cardiff's inclusion means that it isn't just 1-8 for each
       league). This gives totals (lower numbers are harder groups of
       course):
       Pool 1 - 32
       Pool 2 - 32
       Pool 3 - 35
       Pool 4 - 15
       This reinforces the idea that pool 4 is by far the hardest. But
       suggests the others are similar, with 3 slightly easier.
       But this isn't the whole story. Each team only plays 4 of the
       others, so you need to look for each who their opponent are.
       This gives the following:
       Pool 1
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       Saracens
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       Bristol
       🇫🇷 Bordeaux
       🇫🇷 Lyon
       🇿🇦 Bulls
       ☘️ Connacht
       Pool 2
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       Bath
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       Harlequins
       🇫🇷 Toulouse
       🇫🇷 Racing 92
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
       Cardiff
       ☘️ Ulster
       Pool 3
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       Exeter
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       N'hampton
       🇫🇷 Bayonne
       🇫🇷 Toulon
       ☘️ Munster
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
       Glasgow
       Pool 4
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       Leicester
       🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
       Sale
       🇫🇷 La Rochelle  9
       🇫🇷 Stade F 
       🇿🇦 Stormers
       ☘️ Leinster
       This might suggest our task is quite a bit more difficult than I
       thought at first, and the most difficult out of pools 1-3!
       #Post#: 110329--------------------------------------------------
       Re: European Cup pool draws 12.30pm 21st June
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: June 22, 2023, 5:13 am
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       I think there's bugger all in it, especially as they are all
       different teams now.
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