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       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: April 3, 2023, 6:51 am
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       --- Quote from: KentQuin link ---
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       > I'd say only Farrell and Itoje are in that bracket.
       >
       > Of their star or big name players, I'd argue its only Itoje
       and arguably Farrell who have another big deal left in them.
       George, Daly and the Vunipola's are all at or past their playing
       peaks. If the likes of Billy stay, it will need to be on reduced
       wages or they'll be sacrificing strength in depth.
       >
       > Their advantage of course is that their best players have been
       raking in extra income on the side for years, so the likes of
       George and the Vunipola's don't need to move to France to secure
       their financial futures like LCD or Sam Simmonds.
       >
       > It'll be interesting to see how they refresh their squad. Even
       if a couple of the big names move on, they've serious talent
       with the likes of McFarland.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Daly was a "big money" signing from Wasps and a Test Lion before
       he joined. Reduced money doesn't really come into it for core
       first XV players without fitness issues, I think. I'd be amazed
       if guys like Daly, George, and Billy were getting reduced offers
       next contract. Billy I can just about see what with Tom Willis
       (a better player IMO) joining, but still..!
       Farrell is only 31 and captains Saracens and England. I don't
       think that it's arguable at all.
       #Post#: 107014--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: Banstead Quin
       Date: April 3, 2023, 7:45 am
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       Sorry TB, KQ & Quinky, they signed new deals when they came back
       up from their, laughable, one season Prem ban and I can't
       believe that they got reduced deals. All were still England
       players then, and had Eddie been there, still would be so would
       still be on a good whack. Plus it's not in a sportsman's nature
       to drop your salary from £750k a year to £350k because of the
       rest of the clubs are so they'll still be getting good money.
       Had forgotten about George, he takes a big chunk as well.
       #Post#: 107016--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: Camquin
       Date: April 3, 2023, 8:18 am
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       If clubs were really to fit 50 players and a 10 coaching staff
       in £5m, then the clubs would be solvent.
       If we assume that it is 10 internationals, 30 journeymen and 10
       academy players.
       If the academy players were on £25k, the journeymen on £80k and
       the stars on £250k.
       That would be £250k, £2,400k and £2,500k - which would only just
       break the cap at £5,150k
       Though, we need to add coaches.
       But by one means and another, far too many are excluded, and the
       wage bill tops £10m, total spending is over £20m,even though
       income is closer to £15m - and without a very generous sugar
       daddy, that leads to bankruptcy.
       But like Mr Micawber, the CEOs and the fat cats at PRL and the
       RFU keep hoping something will turn up.
       Worcester and Wasps have already fallen, Newcastle and London
       Irish are teetering - I do not want my employer announcing "we
       have enough money to pay this month's wage."
       #Post#: 107021--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
       Date: April 3, 2023, 8:56 am
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       Coaches aren't included in the salcap.
       #Post#: 107023--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: April 3, 2023, 9:06 am
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       --- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
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       > Coaches aren't included in the salcap.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Maybe half of the Sarries squad are classed as "player/coach"
       type roles... Their squad comes in under the salary cap, but the
       coaching bill is £12m per year... plus a few houses :)
       #Post#: 107024--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: Nico Wilson
       Date: April 3, 2023, 9:11 am
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       --- Quote from: Quinky link ---
       >
       > Maybe half of the Sarries squad are classed as "player/coach"
       type roles... Their squad comes in under the salary cap, but the
       coaching bill is £12m £120m per year... plus a few houses :)
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Typo corrected.
       #Post#: 107027--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: RodneyRegis
       Date: April 3, 2023, 10:09 am
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       --- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
       >
       > Daly was a "big money" signing from Wasps and a Test Lion
       before he joined. Reduced money doesn't really come into it for
       core first XV players without fitness issues, I think. I'd be
       amazed if guys like Daly, George, and Billy were getting reduced
       offers next contract. Billy I can just about see what with Tom
       Willis (a better player IMO) joining, but still..!
       >
       > Farrell is only 31 and captains Saracens and England. I don't
       think that it's arguable at all.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       quite. It's pretty laughable to suggest these big name players
       will ply their trade for squad filler money just because they've
       been paid more than they might otherwise have been in the past.
       #Post#: 107028--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: April 3, 2023, 10:30 am
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       --- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
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       > quite. It's pretty laughable to suggest these big name players
       will ply their trade for squad filler money just because they've
       been paid more than they might otherwise have been in the past.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       But everybody knows the reason they stay at Sarries is that
       they're one big, happy family. It's nothing to do with money. No
       sirree. Honest, guv. It really isn't.
       Apparently.
       #Post#: 107029--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: April 3, 2023, 11:17 am
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       --- Quote from: Quinky link ---
       >
       > But everybody knows the reason they stay at Sarries is that
       they're one big, happy family. It's nothing to do with money. No
       sirree. Honest, guv. It really isn't.
       >
       > Apparently.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think something special just happened.
       #Post#: 107032--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How many internationals can you fit in a £5m salary cap?
   DIR By: Mayor West
       Date: April 3, 2023, 12:37 pm
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       I think the Quins academy boys who are properly signed up are on
       £50k so would think it’s probably a standard kind of rate. It’s
       still very difficult to understand how Salarycens have that many
       international players under the cap even with all the credits
       they qualify for. Is it possible that they’ve done a secret deal
       with whoever runs these things because the contracts they signed
       with players are legally binding and could not be changed in the
       contract period. Or is it as simple as they found another way to
       cheat legally if that’s not an oxymoron.
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