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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 25, 2023, 6:21 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
>
> Mark Evans idea of a European Super League would certainly
come closer with 2 super teams in England. Not much fun for any
other club in the Prem though. It just struck me that anything
coming out of MCCalls mouth is not going to be for the greater
good.
>
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no, this is exactly it. Altruism is not their forte.
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 25, 2023, 6:28 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
>
> I was never naïve enough to just have a "strong suspicion".
> In my own mind, I was 100% certain that they were cheating -
but, I went to the games anyway.
>
> I do have a strong suspicion that a lot of Quins team (and
probably other teams) were also 100% certain that they were
breaching the cap.
>
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Of course, they'd have known even better than we all did. It was
so obvious.
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: never sleep
Date: March 25, 2023, 6:42 am
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I had been told how they were paying players. (I also understood
why it was hard to prove.)
Therefore, as I say, I was 100% surE (ie not a suspicion).
My idea was just to formalise something that was happening
anyway and making sure that everyone else benefits from it.
You could also put the responsibility of policing the other 10
teams on the 2 special clubs. I'm sure they would take policing
very seriously.
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: March 25, 2023, 10:00 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
>
> I had been told how they were paying players. (I also
understood why it was hard to prove.)
> Therefore, as I say, I was 100% surE (ie not a suspicion).
> My idea was just to formalise something that was happening
anyway and making sure that everyone else benefits from it.
> You could also put the responsibility of policing the other 10
teams on the 2 special clubs. I'm sure they would take policing
very seriously.
>
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Still no. Unless you've seen it first hand, you cannot possibly
be 100% sure. No matter how much you think you are! But I take
your point.
However, point still stands that not everyone, especially not
casual supporters, were all in the know.
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: March 26, 2023, 4:46 am
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Rob Baxter shoots down central contracts – but offers a
different solution
Baxter's comments come after Mark McCall said the issue needing
addressing promptly
By
Charlie Morgan,
SENIOR RUGBY WRITER and
Daniel Schofield,
DEPUTY RUGBY UNION CORRESPONDENT
23 March 2023 • 4:49pm
Rob Baxter looks on - Rob Baxter shoots down central contracts -
but offers a different solution
Rob Baxter has put forward some alternatives to central
contracts CREDIT: Getty Images/Dan Mullan
Rob Baxter remains dubious over the value of central contracts,
insisting that more fluid player movement between leagues is a
far more important solution for rugby union in England.
Senior figures in the Premiership are clearly divided over
central contracts, with Saracens boss Mark McCall stating this
week that they should be “top of the agenda” for the Rugby
Football Union.
“In my opinion central contracts should be top of the agenda,”
McCall said. “If there is an opportunity to do something a bit
differently and for club and country to work very closely
together over a particular player. Maybe share his salary? We
all know the top international players will be unavailable for
half your programme anyway."
The concept continues to split opinion across the country.
Depending on one’s outlook, such deals have been viewed as both
red herrings and silver bullets. Despite facing up to a
remarkable exodus at Exeter as senior players such as Sam
Simmonds, Jack Nowell and Luke Cowan-Dickie opt for moves abroad
this summer, Baxter believes there is another way.
Rather than introduce central contracts, he would bring in
additional payments to appease fringe internationals picked in
England’s Elite Player Squad [EPS], giving those individuals an
income boost that would not be conditional on Test appearances.
“If we’re saying that we need central contracts over the fear of
England players leaving because of money issues, I wouldn’t say
that there was a need for central contracts,” said the Chiefs
director of rugby on Thursday.
“A simple answer is that if you get picked in the EPS, there is
a retainer payment rather than the payment being based around
match-day selections. If that was at the right level, it could
potentially bridge the gap between what’s available in a £5m cap
at the moment, and even when we go up to £6.4m, compared to what
someone can pick up in France and Japan.
“What it means is that a lot of the guys who are leaving are the
guys in that fringe area. They don’t know if they are going to
pick up regular payments and caps, but they know they are in and
around the squad. A squad payment or retainer for that season, I
think could make a considerable difference. That wouldn’t not a
central contract. Again, it doesn’t need to be a massively
complex scenario we need to find.”
Mark McCall, the Saracens director of rugby looks on during the
Gallagher Premiership Rugby match between Saracens and
Northampton Saints
Mark McCall has established himself as the top club coach in
Englaish rugby over the past decade CREDIT: Getty Images/David
Rogers
In the wake of an underwhelming Six Nations for Steve
Borthwick’s side, Baxter was cool on any need for more England A
fixtures as a bridging mechanism between the Premiership and
Test level. He suggested that “a little bit of changeover” was
inevitable in the wake of Eddie Jones’ departure because the
latter “was a big personality” who “did things his way”.
“Right here and now, Steve is at the head of a new coaching
group and they need to be on their cycle for a bit longer,”
Baxter added. “They need another year or two and you will see
where they want to head, how they’re aligning with clubs and how
players are developing.”
For Baxter, the most significant, and cheapest, improvement
would be to deregulate the process of loaning Premiership
players out to Championship clubs; thereby making it more
straightforward for top-tier professionals to find game-time
over the course of the season.
Exeter won the Premiership Cup just last weekend, beating London
Irish 24-20 in a final that went to extra time, yet Baxter
stressed the need to be creative in order to carve out further
opportunities. Loan moves and dual-registrations have been
limited in order not to avoid compromising the integrity of the
Championship. Baxter indicated that such thinking was
old-fashioned.
“It’s to make the player movement between leagues far easier and
far more fluid,” he said, when asked for a single proposal to
invigorate the English system. “One thing that’s pretty clear is
that a lot of the development process has to be carefully
managed by clubs, around how you get game-time.
“You have the Premiership Cup, and we’ve come through really
competitive games in the semi-final and final, with young
players playing in front of crowds. That’s fantastic, but the
reality is that you have to manage those guys at other times in
the year. A Championship club can only play so many
dual-registered or loan players in any one game. It’s quite
restrictive, the player movement.
“I’m a believer in promotion and relegation, but there isn’t
much at the moment, rightly or wrongly, so the argument that it
would affect the Championship – if a lot of players went into
one team – are dying a death. If you look at most Premiership
squads, if we could select on a Monday and then all those not
involved, whether they were ex-internationals or academy
players, could have a game if you had links with two or three
local clubs."
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#Post#: 106514--------------------------------------------------
Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: March 26, 2023, 6:45 am
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I think you need a bit of practice with the cut and paste,
deadly!
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: March 26, 2023, 5:18 pm
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Slightly different topic but money related..
If the club want to not overspend and save money to safeguard
the club, id recommend not having everyone fly business class to
South Africa. Does the club get any additional expenses from the
competition to help costs? As business class with BA is 10k
return which even for half the travelling squad is the
difference between paying/signing an international for a year
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: never sleep
Date: March 27, 2023, 1:47 am
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I think flights are paid for by the ERC
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 27, 2023, 2:16 am
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I’m a believer in promotion and relegation, but there isn’t much
at the moment, rightly or wrongly, so the argument that it would
affect the Championship – if a lot of players went into one team
– are dying a death. If you look at most Premiership squads, if
we could select on a Monday and then all those not involved,
whether they were ex-internationals or academy players, could
have a game if you had links with two or three local clubs."
None of this makes any sense.
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Re: Central Contracts
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: March 27, 2023, 2:24 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
>
> I think you need a bit of practice with the cut and paste,
deadly!
>
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Lazy journalism, lazy plagiarism...
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