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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: Yareet
Date: January 19, 2023, 2:35 pm
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> I'm not a player myself but if my brother, his clubmates, and
Twitter is anything to go by this isn't going down well...
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The reaction amongst my teammates wasn’t dissimilar.
However, apparently in French community rugby, they’ve brought
in this law and reduced concussions by 60%.
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: January 20, 2023, 2:19 am
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I was always drilled to take the legs. " They cant run without
their legs, lad!"
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: January 20, 2023, 3:03 am
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HTML https://twitter.com/therugbytrainer/status/1615761149948985353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3ARugbyrefereenet%7Ctwcon%5Es1
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: ChiddQuin
Date: January 20, 2023, 5:12 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> I was always drilled to take the legs. " They cant run without
their legs, lad!"
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Me too! That must date us.
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: Yareet
Date: January 20, 2023, 6:56 am
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> Me too! That must date us.
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The thing is (as far as I'm aware) that's still how kids are
taught - cheek to cheek. It's only as we get older and want to
prevent offloads (/can't bend as far) that we start targetting
the ball.
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: January 20, 2023, 7:14 am
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I've coached both my younger brothers, as has my dad. Nothing
has changed - it's all still "they can't run without their legs"
and "cheek to cheek". And the link deadly sent above is a great
example of how players should be aiming to tackle.
The issue is, if you go for that tackle 100% of the time, no
matter the situation, and get it slightly wrong just once... you
can be in a world of trouble. No one is going to tackle
perfectly every time, so the laws should allow for a variety of
safe tackles depending on where you are at in relation to the
player you're going in to tackle at any given point in time.
There will be occasions where a chest/ribs-height tackle is
safer for all concerned - that option is about to be removed. I
can't see how this won't end up resulting in unintended
consequences. It seems I'm not the only one...
There's now a petition picking up signatures:
HTML https://www.change.org/p/2023-24-tackling-height-in-the-amateur-rugby-union-game
And lots of pro players have come out yesterday/today seemingly
not too charmed by the idea. Particularly interesting is this
tweet from Oli Hoskins:
HTML https://twitter.com/omdhoskins/status/1616077215766044672?s=20&t=ggLN2w7KYPD7v2Fw0vr9sA
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: January 20, 2023, 7:25 am
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It's true, there do seem to be some likely issues. I've not read
anything yet but what do you do if you're standing next to
someone with the ball, for a start?
Thing is there are quite a few people posting on the boards who
seem to think that tackling the legs is inherently dangerous as
if it never really existed. I'd suggest it's probably because
they're younger than me and never actually played the game.
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 20, 2023, 7:27 am
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> There will be occasions where a chest/ribs-height tackle is
safer for all concerned
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A chest high tackle always comes with a high risk of danger,
because there's no leeway for misjudgement or a relatively small
change of direction / change in height turning it into a high
tackle or head clash.
The Hoskins tweet is a bit lacking in context - the Championship
Cup trial was a disaster for a lot of reasons. Players were
playing these matches in between Championship games - thus not
really being able to train with the tackle laws in mind - refs
gave up reffing it properly very quickly, there was pushback and
a total lack of buy-in from the coaches and players before it
even started, etc etc. It was essentially how not to run a trial
like this.
The French trial was much better and resulted in significant
improvements, as well as getting a positive review from the
participants.
This is an excellent article on the whole thing and I would
recommend everyone take some time to read it:
HTML https://www.patreon.com/posts/lowering-legal-77489775
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: January 20, 2023, 8:07 am
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Thanks, Jammy, that was a good article, although when I saw "20
min read" I did flinch a little. 🙂
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Re: Slightly O/T: waist level tackling across all amateur rugby
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: January 20, 2023, 8:10 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
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> Thing is there are quite a few people posting on the boards
who seem to think that tackling the legs is inherently dangerous
as if it never really existed. I'd suggest it's probably because
they're younger than me and never actually played the game.
>
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There might be something in that, but as a 32-year-old (I
presume I'm one of those that's younger than your good self) who
has been an avid fan since the age of 4 and coaching at
grassroots and school level to varying degrees since the age of
16, coaching groups that I've been part of have always drilled
tackling the legs wherever possible. And, crucially, part of
that is ensuring your head is on the right side of the player
you're going in to tackle - this can be equally applied to
slightly higher tackles, such as rib/chest-height tackles.
Hoskins' tweet might not be all-encompassing in terms of context
but I do think there's something to be said for his assertion
that each tackle is situational and also some points made in
replies below his tweet from other pro players that a forceful
knee to the head can oftentimes lead to much worse outcomes than
head-on-head collisions. So then are we trying to reduce numbers
of head collisions without regard for the severity of the ones
we're potentially going to see more of as a result and which are
justifiable as "rugby incidents"? (Obviously a knee to the head
would rightly be deemed a rugby incident - I've never seen
anyone deliberately knee someone in the head - but I've seen it
happen on multiple occasions and it ain't pretty). It's not
always just about reducing numbers of certain collisions -
especially if the numbers of other, potentially worse,
collisions then increase as a direct result.
I will absolutely read the link you posted though Jammy, as I'll
admit I'm not clued up on the French trial at all. I also don't
think there is an easy answer to any of this and I will say it's
positive to see the RFU having active conversations about it and
at least trying to act to fix the issue. I'll go into the French
trial article with an open mind, but with definite scepticism
and reservations.
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