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       #Post#: 718--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: D-Quins
       Date: July 4, 2018, 10:13 pm
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       Totally agree DOK I decided not to take up the rebate offered as
       the club could keep its back room staff mostly intact.  Always
       assumed it would not impact Evans or Copsey, as their jobs would
       remain.  Dean I don't think had been announced then and was the
       good news over the summer as I recall.
       #Post#: 732--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: Mr_B
       Date: July 5, 2018, 4:07 am
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       Absolutely had nothing to do with the management, when they
       started talking about losing back room staff and having to let
       promising players go after the numpty's that helped  put us in
       that position had already left, we wanted to help out. I seem to
       remember Scamble starting the post on caw starting things off
       and it snowballed from there.
       #Post#: 737--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: RodneyRegis
       Date: July 5, 2018, 4:42 am
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       Perhaps something people like Nick Easter should think about
       when slagging off the type of people who use message boards.
       #Post#: 763--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: test1
       Date: July 5, 2018, 8:33 am
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       --- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
       >
       > Perhaps something people like Nick Easter should think about
       when slagging off the type of people who use message boards.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       There's an awful lot of reasons why he was quite right to slag
       off many of the users on the old site. Time will tell whether it
       will be the same here but my guess is that it will.
       #Post#: 767--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: Rocker
       Date: July 5, 2018, 8:49 am
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       --- Quote from: test1 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=RodneyRegis link=topic=57.msg737#msg737
       date=1530783756]
       > Perhaps something people like Nick Easter should think about
       when slagging off the type of people who use message boards.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       There's an awful lot of reasons why he was quite right to slag
       off many of the users on the old site. Time will tell whether it
       will be the same here but my guess is that it will.
       [/quote]
       Easter deserved tha flack he got frankly.
       It doesn't matter wether the players weren't doing what he was
       telling them or if they were but it was the wrong theing to do.
       The end result is he was a coach with reponsibility for pretty
       much the worst defence in the leauge.
       #Post#: 795--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: harlequins
       Date: July 5, 2018, 10:48 pm
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       Agreed. He may have been a fine player but as a defence coach he
       has some improvement to go.
       #Post#: 843--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: Grins
       Date: July 6, 2018, 6:40 am
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       Am on the loyalty wall, but still have mixed feelings about
       subsidising Saville etc.  particularly to the extent that it is
       portrayed as saving people from redundancy.   It loyalty,
       charity or stupidity.  I still can't decide. Some combination of
       the three probably.
       #Post#: 853--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: July 6, 2018, 7:52 am
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       --- Quote from: Grins link ---
       >
       > Am on the loyalty wall, but still have mixed feelings about
       subsidising Saville etc.  particularly to the extent that it is
       portrayed as saving people from redundancy.   It loyalty,
       charity or stupidity.  I still can't decide. Some combination of
       the three probably.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Know what you mean!
       #Post#: 939--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: July 8, 2018, 9:52 am
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       --- Quote from: Grins link ---
       >
       > Am on the loyalty wall, but still have mixed feelings about
       subsidising Saville etc.  particularly to the extent that it is
       portrayed as saving people from redundancy.   It loyalty,
       charity or stupidity.  I still can't decide. Some combination of
       the three probably.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Saville and Quins' other backers have bankrolled the club to the
       tune of £10m or more over the last 20 years, with no realistic
       prospect of earning it back in the short term. Might they have
       been able to stave off relegation by acting earlier? Maybe. But
       it still went down to the last kick of the last game. Should
       they have been prepared to bankroll a larger operation than the
       club needed during our year in ND1? Maybe, maybe not, but faced
       with reduced income it's not unreasonable that they should cut
       costs rather than run up the debt. There's no moral obligation
       on them to spend money on Quins, and it's likely that they ran
       up more debt in winning ND1 than our ND1 peers or they would
       have done in the Premiership.
       The loyalty wall was a recognition that fans were prepared to
       share some of the pain of that year. In my view, both the club
       and the fans can be proud of it.
       #Post#: 941--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Some History of the Loyalty Wall
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: July 8, 2018, 10:17 am
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       To be fair to Saville, his figure is well over £10m. We've run
       up £6m debt in a season before. The East Stand was effectively
       paid for by him on top of running costs and I have a figure in
       my brain of around £7m for that?
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