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Re: Tommy
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: January 11, 2023, 5:41 am
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--- Quote from: PhilQuin2 link ---
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> Back in the day -well back- it used to be full backs who did
the place kicking, so I'd respectfully dispute the "core skill
for a 10" assertion. Surely it should simply be the person best
at it (-like Bob Hiller, fr'instance)
>
> Just to show exactly how far back, I can even remember All
Blacks wingers throwing in to the line-out - sideways-on...
>
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AFAIK it's always been the case that anyone can kick for goal.
You just need to make sure you pick someone who can and have a
backup plan.
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Re: Tommy
DIR By: Monte
Date: January 11, 2023, 6:52 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
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> AFAIK it's always been the case that anyone can kick for goal.
You just need to make sure you pick someone who can and have a
backup plan.
>
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EG Jordan Crane’s infamous outrageous kick for Tigers in the
kicking fiasco after extra time in Heineken Cup 2009! How many
of our back row practice penalty kicks?
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Re: Tommy
DIR By: BedfordshireBoy
Date: January 12, 2023, 12:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Monte link ---
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>
> EG Jordan Crane’s infamous outrageous kick for Tigers in the
kicking fiasco after extra time in Heineken Cup 2009! How many
of our back row practice penalty kicks?
>
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Seem to remember Dommers looked pretty handy in the Barbarians
game.
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Re: Tommy
DIR By: Monte
Date: January 12, 2023, 1:49 pm
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--- Quote from: BedfordshireBoy link ---
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> Seem to remember Dommers looked pretty handy in the Barbarians
game.
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Joe Marler converted one as well.
#Post#: 102306--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tommy
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: January 12, 2023, 4:05 pm
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Anyone can kick for goal and anyone can throw in. But from a
young age fly halves and hookers will practise those skills.
Others will practise kicking as it's "fun". No-one will practise
lineout throwing other than generic front row players yet to
specialise
#Post#: 102324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tommy
DIR By: Andrew Moore
Date: January 13, 2023, 3:54 am
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Didn't Joe Marchant throw into a line-out for us this season
(maybe end of last season)? If I remember correctly, we lost
possession (predictably).
#Post#: 102328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tommy
DIR By: Rob Buchanan
Date: January 13, 2023, 4:42 am
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Back on topic.
Tommy has been picked by Italy for their 6 Nations squad. He
also happens to be the most capped player in their squad.
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Re: Tommy
DIR By: Fearless Fred
Date: January 13, 2023, 5:25 am
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--- Quote from: MerstQuin link ---
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> Didn't Joe Marchant throw into a line-out for us this season
(maybe end of last season)? If I remember correctly, we lost
possession (predictably).
>
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Yes, I think we'd subbed hooker & then got a yellow card for the
replacement, so someone had to do it. There's a difference
between Throwing in at Lineouts and Place Kicking. Place kicking
relies solely on the individual. It's just them, the ball, and
the posts. With a Lineout, there's other team members,
opposition players, etc. Far easier to have a player train to do
kicks than to practice lineouts, memorising calls, etc.
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Re: Tommy
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: January 13, 2023, 5:43 am
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--- Quote from: Fearless Fred link ---
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> ...
> Far easier to have a player train to do kicks than to practice
lineouts, memorising calls, etc.
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True but there's also the mental side. Remember Paul Challinor?
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Re: Tommy
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 13, 2023, 9:18 am
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--- Quote from: Fearless Fred link ---
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> Yes, I think we'd subbed hooker & then got a yellow card for
the replacement, so someone had to do it. There's a difference
between Throwing in at Lineouts and Place Kicking. Place kicking
relies solely on the individual. It's just them, the ball, and
the posts. With a Lineout, there's other team members,
opposition players, etc. Far easier to have a player train to do
kicks than to practice lineouts, memorising calls, etc.
>
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True, but kicking also benefits hugely from repetition. You're
not going to spend hours and hours every week with and without
coaches if you're not actually going to be kicking in matches.
It's a waste of time better spent elsewhere.
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