DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
ComeAllWithin (Harlequins Rugby)
HTML https://comeallwithin.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: ComeAllWithin Board
*****************************************************
#Post#: 100462--------------------------------------------------
Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: DazzaS
Date: December 12, 2022, 1:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63946473
Thirteen clubs started the 2022-23 Premiership season, with
Wasps and Worcester since being suspended and relegated after
going into administration
The 2024-2025 season will see a rebirth of Premiership Rugby, as
the league looks to recover from a turbulent period off the
field.
It comes after the demise of Wasps and Worcester, with both
clubs going out of business this campaign.
One of the architects of The Hundred in cricket has come on
board as the league looks to re-establish its identity.
"It is essentially a relaunch of the league," Premiership Rugby
boss Simon Massie-Taylor told BBC Sport.
"We need to start moving towards a new system. It needs to look
and feel a bit different."
Massie-Taylor added: "Events moved quickly when it came to Wasps
and Worcester, which only reinforced the issues we need to
solve.
"The only real positive of this very sad situation is it has
given further momentum to quite a few changes within the
system."
Premiership Rugby's four areas of emphasis
With next season a "transitionary year" as the English game
resolves its structural issues - as well as it being the last
year of the existing Professional Game Agreement (PGA) -
Premiership Rugby has outlined four main areas of emphasis going
forward:
1)The establishment of an independent financial monitoring
panel, which will oversee all club finances, in a bid to avoid
the fate that befell Worcester and Wasps.
2)A new sporting commission, which would be independently
chaired and make decisions on behalf of the league.
3) Finalising the new PGA, with the biggest area of focus the
structure of the English professional game going forward, and a
clear vision of what the second-tier Championship looks like and
how promotion and relegation will work.
4)Commitment to the growth plan, with an aim to continue to
build the league's fanbase, using experience from cricket
competition The Hundred to engage a new audience.
The opaque nature of club finances - and the failure to act on a
number of warning signs when it came to Wasps and Worcester -
has forced the league into an urgent reappraisal, with
Premiership Rugby needing much greater access when it comes to
club accounts - as is the case in France's professional leagues.
"The key words are financial discipline," explained
Massie-Taylor.
"We need to have much more regular reporting, and you need a
system where you have regulations in place that create better
discipline.
"But it is forward-looking as well. Clubs have been supportive
of this and see the need for it, and we are in the process of
recruiting an independent chair who will do a full review and
come up with detailed recommendations.
"In the meantime we have better financial information to help
manage some of the short-term issues that may come up in the
current economic environment."
Meanwhile, the sporting commission would "simplify how decisions
are made" in a bid to avoid the conflict that has hamstrung
decision-making.
The commission would include three independent figures,
including a recently retired player, as well as an independent
chairperson.
"We are trying to be a bit more fleet-of-foot when we are making
decisions, and take the conflict out," Massie-Taylor said.
"The clubs recognise all this and a lot of them have been
pushing for change for a while, and we are using this
opportunity to get this right."
Restoring promotion and relegation
As it stands there is no relegation to the Championship next
season, although a team can be promoted to the top-flight if
they pass the required standards.
The long-term structure therefore remains up in the air, with
the Premiership currently consisting of 11 teams after Wasps'
and Worcester's relegation.
Either way, strengthening the second tier to ensure a robust
promotion and relegation system in the future is now a priority.
"There is an extreme willingness to have a more aligned second
tier, because we think that will help it grow," said
Massie-Taylor.
"How that works is a topic of conversation at the moment, and
linked to that is what happens next season as far as promotion
and relegation, because we obviously need to let our
Championship colleagues know the rules of engagement.
"You want a Championship which clubs feel more comfortable
relegated into. And you also want something where Wasps and
Worcester are germinated back to being a successful club again -
because we want Wasps and Worcester back in the Premiership."
As far as commercial growth is concerned, Rob Calder - former
commercial director of The Hundred - has joined Premiership
Rugby as chief growth officer as the league looks to build its
fanbase and start a new chapter in its history.
"He was one of the architects [of The Hundred] and was in the
room as they were putting the whole thing together," explained
Massie-Taylor.
"He understands the challenges we are trying to solve. The
2024-2025 season is that opportune moment to establish what we
are, and that is part of his job."
#Post#: 100463--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: FatQuin
Date: December 12, 2022, 4:32 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
One small problem. The Hundred is rubbish…
#Post#: 100464--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: DazzaS
Date: December 12, 2022, 11:14 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
But it has been getting the crowds in and money into depleted
reserves.
Additionally, it has attracted far more families, including
girls into the sport due to its focus on the summer holiday
period.
#Post#: 100466--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: December 13, 2022, 3:32 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: DazzaS link ---
>
> But it has been getting the crowds in and money into depleted
reserves.
>
> Additionally, it has attracted far more families, including
girls into the sport due to its focus on the summer holiday
period.
>
--- End Quote ---
To the detriment of proper cricket. I guess there is less cause
for concern here, as he is working on 15 a side rugby and not
trying to shoehorn 12s, or rugby X, or whatever, into the main
part of the season to the detriment of the proper product.
Otherwise the proposals sound good. Proper financial oversight
and removing the conflicts in decision making can only be a good
thing.
They way they dismiss the current championship clubs is a bit
off though. why should wasps and worcester, or indeed any other
club, have any more right to be in the premiership than anyone
else
#Post#: 100468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: Yareet
Date: December 13, 2022, 4:17 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
>
> To the detriment of proper cricket. I guess there is less
cause for concern here, as he is working on 15 a side rugby and
not trying to shoehorn 12s, or rugby X, or whatever, into the
main part of the season to the detriment of the proper product.
>
> Otherwise the proposals sound good. Proper financial oversight
and removing the conflicts in decision making can only be a good
thing.
>
> They way they dismiss the current championship clubs is a bit
off though. why should wasps and worcester, or indeed any other
club, have any more right to be in the premiership than anyone
else
>
--- End Quote ---
Very hard to argue that England's Test team has got worse since
the Hundred came along
#Post#: 100469--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: DazzaS
Date: December 13, 2022, 4:21 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
>
> To the detriment of proper cricket. I guess there is less
cause for concern here, as he is working on 15 a side rugby and
not trying to shoehorn 12s, or rugby X, or whatever, into the
main part of the season to the detriment of the proper product.
>
> Otherwise the proposals sound good. Proper financial oversight
and removing the conflicts in decision making can only be a good
thing.
>
> They way they dismiss the current championship clubs is a bit
off though. why should wasps and worcester, or indeed any other
club, have any more right to be in the premiership than anyone
else
>
--- End Quote ---
People said that about T20 and 60/50 over cricket but the
opposite happened.
If a restricted version of the sport can get more people into
the longer version, that can only be a good thing. Something
that 7s rugby was meant to do when there was the premiership
rugby 7s, but that got quietly dropped.
#Post#: 100470--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: Surbiton Quin
Date: December 13, 2022, 4:49 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: DazzaS link ---
>
> Peoppe said that about T20 and 60/50 over cricket but the
opposite happened.
>
--- End Quote ---
When the T20 and 50 overs came in they didn't remove virtually
all other forms of the game from August. Next year is an Ashes
year and the last test is in July.
When the Hundred was introduced it benefitted from being the
first large outdoor sporting series after lockdowns and
restrictions, the last season saw a decline in numbers. It is in
a way deliberately self justifying as the crowd for any outdoor
sport which involves sitting still for essentially a whole day
suffers in bad weather, also the time of day and day of the week
it is played matters - a T20 crowd will sell out the Oval or
Lords on a Thursday and Friday evening in July and August- it
won't on a Sunday or Monday in May. Let alone going to the
Riverside in April.
the competition which has been downgraded the most is the 50
over which England were so bad at they became world champions
and the main target is replacing the T20 blast with the hundred,
again England are clearly dreadful being T20 champions as well.
So the two forms of the game at which England are champions are
being forced out by a version of the game which is played
nowhere else and is sucking the finance out of all other forms.
This is before one looks at the effect on spinners, fast bowlers
and batsmen not playing in all conditions.
Is the Hundred doing anything the T20 couldn't? (apart from
franchises)
Basically England is doing well in spite of the Hundred not
because of it.
So with Hundred thinking expect the prime slots to be targeted
with a new "form of the game" possibly franchises but definitely
ringfenced with stupid gimmicks thrown in, maybe play the game
in thirds with the losing team having choice of end? Not any
sillier than having a captain pick someone to "sin bin" which
will always be a front row player or the opposition kicker.
#Post#: 100471--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: Yareet
Date: December 13, 2022, 5:07 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Surbiton Quin link ---
>
> When the T20 and 50 overs came in they didn't remove virtually
all other forms of the game from August. Next year is an Ashes
year and the last test is in July.
>
> When the Hundred was introduced it benefitted from being the
first large outdoor sporting series after lockdowns and
restrictions, the last season saw a decline in numbers. It is in
a way deliberately self justifying as the crowd for any outdoor
sport which involves sitting still for essentially a whole day
suffers in bad weather, also the time of day and day of the week
it is played matters - a T20 crowd will sell out the Oval or
Lords on a Thursday and Friday evening in July and August- it
won't on a Sunday or Monday in May. Let alone going to the
Riverside in April.
>
> the competition which has been downgraded the most is the 50
over which England were so bad at they became world champions
and the main target is replacing the T20 blast with the hundred,
again England are clearly dreadful being T20 champions as well.
So the two forms of the game at which England are champions are
being forced out by a version of the game which is played
nowhere else and is sucking the finance out of all other forms.
This is before one looks at the effect on spinners, fast bowlers
and batsmen not playing in all conditions.
>
> Is the Hundred doing anything the T20 couldn't? (apart from
franchises)
>
> Basically England is doing well in spite of the Hundred not
because of it.
>
> So with Hundred thinking expect the prime slots to be targeted
with a new "form of the game" possibly franchises but definitely
ringfenced with stupid gimmicks thrown in, maybe play the game
in thirds with the losing team having choice of end? Not any
sillier than having a captain pick someone to "sin bin" which
will always be a front row player or the opposition kicker.
>
--- End Quote ---
No, IMO
#Post#: 100472--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: December 13, 2022, 5:30 am
---------------------------------------------------------
The Hundred also benefits from being partly on terrestrial TV.
They could have put the effort they put in marketing the 100
into T20. It didn't need a new form of the game. Still, if the
guy behind it can use his expertise to get the premiership the
marketing and exposure which he got the Hundred then that should
be a good thing
#Post#: 100473--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premiership Rugby to 'relaunch' for 2024-25 after demise of
Wasps & Worcester
DIR By: Boonie
Date: December 13, 2022, 5:51 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Am I the only one who has never heard of The Hundred?
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 3
DIR Next Page