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Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: Fursty
Date: December 7, 2022, 5:02 am
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> If.
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Yes I think we've established that its a hypothetical question
(for now).
#Post#: 100190--------------------------------------------------
Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: Domestos
Date: December 7, 2022, 5:10 am
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> Yes I think we've established that its a hypothetical question
(for now).
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Wasn't he correcting Fursty's typo?
#Post#: 100197--------------------------------------------------
Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: December 7, 2022, 7:15 am
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> A thread started to post about 'getting to the BG' turns into
a thread posted on by the lefty lovies on here.
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I mean, you can take it like that if you want to. The actual
post, as per the title, says that the "RMT have made BG14
difficult to get to", and this has led to a discussion about
various things such as the validity of strikes, collective
bargaining and the economics of pay rises (and ULEZ for some
reason).
You are the first person to start to start general name calling,
so clearly you have an opinion on this, but as you haven't
expressed it then I won't speculate.
#Post#: 100198--------------------------------------------------
Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: December 7, 2022, 7:19 am
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> Not blinking likely. [Admin - I hope than blinking doesn't
trigger the alarms.]
> Cos - then I would be in the same boat as my team mates who
work in our European locations who are covered by unions.
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I am genuinely interested in knowing why you view this as a
negative, if you are happy to share more.
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Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: never sleep
Date: December 7, 2022, 7:30 am
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> I am genuinely interested in knowing why you view this as a
negative, if you are happy to share more.
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People should be treated fairly as individuals.
Not all grouped together into a big group and just given the
same stuff.
E.g. if I am a high achieving individual, then I should get a
better increase than my team mate who is just punching the
clock.
If I know that my entire team will get e.g. 5% increase no
matter what my personal contribution to the team is, then this
does not incentivise me.
In a factory situation where you have for example 5000 line
workers all doing a similar task, then it is probably easy to
define the minimum tasks that are required for the job role. As
long as everybody hots these minimum standards, then you should
all get the same increase.
However, in my particular case, I work in a team of 4 people.
The team leader is based in Belgium, as is one of my team mates.
My other team mate is based in Germany. I see on a daily basis
the difficulties of working with team members based in 2
countries who are represented by works councils.
As an example - one of my team mates was not allowed to use
MS-Teams as there was delays in getting it approved by their
works council. It made our daily stand-up meeting interesting.
#Post#: 100202--------------------------------------------------
Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: December 7, 2022, 7:52 am
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I think that there are two points in your response here - one
about pay, and the other about working conditions.
Re pay - you seem to be saying that if one person meets the
minimum requirements then they should receive the minimum
benefit, whereas another who excels should receive additional
reward. I don't really dispute that, but the person doing the
minimum shouldn't be penalised with below inflation pay rises.
Re working conditions - I have no experience of how works
councils operate, but they seem to be different to unions - they
represent the employees in a company as opposed to an industry
or sector, and exist at the employees request to prevent the
employers from introducing changes that negatively affect
employment or working conditions. Your example of the use of
Teams seems like a peculiar situation, but I would be interested
to know whether your colleagues in Belgium and Germany think
that works councils overall are a benefit or hindrance to them.
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Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: December 7, 2022, 8:35 am
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> a picture paints a thousand words....
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...
Because I haven't got enough paint, deadly. 🙂
#Post#: 100227--------------------------------------------------
Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: Andrew Moore
Date: December 8, 2022, 3:58 am
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> So, if this is the only point that didn't make sense, then can
I assume that everything else I wrote was fine.
> (Just remember, I will need a few assistants when I become
President.)
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For the avoidance of doubt (I think...) I completely agree with
the sentiment of your post. Mine was more an off-hand dig at
how pay rises in line with inflation are a key bargaining point,
except for when inflation is low or (potentially) negative in
which case that important principle magically disappears.
#Post#: 100228--------------------------------------------------
Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: HamptonCourtJester
Date: December 8, 2022, 4:10 am
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Holding the nation to ransom. Classy
Bring in driverless trains asap
#Post#: 100229--------------------------------------------------
Re: RMT have made BG14 difficult to get to
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: December 8, 2022, 4:13 am
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As I reside away from an urban environment I have to say I was
surprised at how much Nurses, Railway Staff, Teachers et al
actually earn as a Basic salary. The vast majority of people
working in the West Country are barely on minimum wage.
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