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#Post#: 99061--------------------------------------------------
Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: PostVideo
Date: November 13, 2022, 8:05 am
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We've talked before that someone would get hurt the way people
hurl themselves into rucks.
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: Camquin
Date: November 13, 2022, 8:13 am
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I had not seen that. Why only the one red card?
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: Lawyerquin
Date: November 13, 2022, 8:19 am
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Fractured his eye socket. TMO and WB just blamed PSDT (who was
in tears sitting on the sidelines afterwards). It was a cracking
game-Dupont got sent off for the French in the second half
too-and the French do really look strong.
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 13, 2022, 8:29 am
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There is some talk that PSDT was actually pushed as he went into
the ruck. Nasty injury, but I wouldn't say there was malicious
intent. Dupont's red card was also pretty horrific, but again no
malicious intent.
Superb game. SA showed great spirit to lead having played most
of the game with 14. The French "try" at the end was extremely
contentious. Barnes' officiating was a little one-sided too.
French defence was superb.
I thought this was akin to a dress rehearsal for the next RWC
final. I'd bet on SA to win next time, but the French really are
on fire at the moment.
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 13, 2022, 5:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> There is some talk that PSDT was actually pushed as he went
into the ruck. Nasty injury, but I wouldn't say there was
malicious intent. Dupont's red card was also pretty horrific,
but again no malicious intent.
>
> Superb game. SA showed great spirit to lead having played most
of the game with 14. The French "try" at the end was extremely
contentious. Barnes' officiating was a little one-sided too.
French defence was superb.
>
> I thought this was akin to a dress rehearsal for the next RWC
final. I'd bet on SA to win next time, but the French really are
on fire at the moment.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think it could be the QF. France are in pool A with NZ. Their
QF is v pool B which has SA and Ireland.
Any combination of winners/runners up is feasible.
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: D-Quins
Date: November 15, 2022, 11:22 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> There is some talk that PSDT was actually pushed as he went
into the ruck. Nasty injury, but I wouldn't say there was
malicious intent. Dupont's red card was also pretty horrific,
but again no malicious intent.
>
> Superb game. SA showed great spirit to lead having played most
of the game with 14. The French "try" at the end was extremely
contentious. Barnes' officiating was a little one-sided too.
French defence was superb.
>
> I thought this was akin to a dress rehearsal for the next RWC
final. I'd bet on SA to win next time, but the French really are
on fire at the moment.
>
--- End Quote ---
The law applied is not about intent, it deals with fact, contact
with the head with force etc. The disciplinary tribunal will
consider intent. Even with his previous good conduct (never had
a card in international rugby) I expect a higher end ban will
be applied as the outcome was bad.
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 15, 2022, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: D-Quins link ---
>
> The law applied is not about intent, it deals with fact,
contact with the head with force etc. The disciplinary tribunal
will consider intent. Even with his previous good conduct (never
had a card in international rugby) I expect a higher end ban
will be applied as the outcome was bad.
>
--- End Quote ---
Simon Middleton suggesting that intent should be taken into
acccount. I hope that he’s just hurting after Saturday as that’s
impossible to judge
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: November 15, 2022, 12:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
>
> Simon Middleton suggesting that intent should be taken into
acccount. I hope that he’s just hurting after Saturday as that’s
impossible to judge
>
--- End Quote ---
Intent's not impossible to judge; it's just not always possible
to judge it.
#Post#: 99144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: November 15, 2022, 12:26 pm
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It should be the player who pushed PSDT that gets cited for that
incident - and there's precedent. Last season one of our players
(I think Dommers) got penalised for pushing (I think) Marler,
who was carrying the ball, into a defender resulting in a high
tackle on Marler.
Obviously this situation is much higher danger - but PSDT had
literally no control of his body because one of his teammates
shoved him at the ruck. There's a clearer angle than the one
above doing the rounds somewhere...
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Re: Pieter-Steph du Toit's red card
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 15, 2022, 1:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
>
> Intent's not impossible to judge; it's just not always
possible to judge it.
>
--- End Quote ---
OK that’s fair.
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