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       #Post#: 92219--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: June 21, 2022, 7:23 am
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       I would expect that moving out of London would severely hit the
       game day takings.
       I assume that being in Twickenham means that most people
       walk/cycle/train/bus to the ground and can have pre/post match
       beers.
       However, moving out of town means that most people would drive
       and would therefore not bother with refreshments. On the other
       hand, they could earn quite a bit of money from car parking.
       #Post#: 92220--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: SwindonQuin
       Date: June 21, 2022, 7:48 am
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       Im not up for re-locating, the option I would take (not cheap)
       Move to HQ for 2 seasons to enable a complete redevelopment of
       the Stoop.
       Dig down on the existing site to create a sub surface bowl (with
       suitable flood defences of course) and then build two single
       tier banked stands (north & south) and two double tier stands
       with hospitability boxes within the central structure.
       This would help, but not mitigate, the NIMBY's who brought a
       house next to a rugby stadium regarding height and would reduce
       the visual impact of a double tier stand.
       Like I say not cheap, not easy, but would be cool.
       Oh and put solar panels across all of the roof's, why they
       haven't done that is strange as the power generation would be a
       good income stream for the club but a nice carbon neutral tick
       box.
       #Post#: 92524--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: July 4, 2022, 3:48 am
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       How likely are the Property Developer Owners likely to pull the
       plug and sell up just as we complete the building works?
       #Post#: 92536--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: Monte
       Date: July 4, 2022, 6:14 am
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       --- Quote from: never sleep link ---
       >
       > I would expect that moving out of London would severely hit
       the game day takings.
       > I assume that being in Twickenham means that most people
       walk/cycle/train/bus to the ground and can have pre/post match
       beers.
       > However, moving out of town means that most people would drive
       and would therefore not bother with refreshments. On the other
       hand, they could earn quite a bit of money from car parking.
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think that is a very sweeping statement you would be quite
       surprised that a huge number come by car you only have to look
       at the Rosebine and the car parks adjacent to the ground. For
       those in Kent,Surrey,Sussex, Hampshire and Wiltshire it is
       mammoth trek by train and some of us don’t come for the drink!
       #Post#: 92537--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: Nico Wilson
       Date: July 4, 2022, 6:18 am
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       --- Quote from: SwindonQuin link ---
       >
       > Im not up for re-locating, the option I would take (not cheap)
       >
       > Move to HQ for 2 seasons to enable a complete redevelopment of
       the Stoop.
       >
       > Dig down on the existing site to create a sub surface bowl
       (with suitable flood defences of course) and then build two
       single tier banked stands (north & south) and two double tier
       stands with hospitability boxes within the central structure.
       >
       > This would help, but not mitigate, the NIMBY's who brought a
       house next to a rugby stadium regarding height and would reduce
       the visual impact of a double tier stand.
       >
       > Like I say not cheap, not easy, but would be cool.
       >
       > Oh and put solar panels across all of the roof's, why they
       haven't done that is strange as the power generation would be a
       good income stream for the club but a nice carbon neutral tick
       box.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This is a great idea. Nice steep sided stands please - like
       Toulon (although I accept we'd be digging very deep to achieve
       this)
       #Post#: 92568--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: Banstead Quin
       Date: July 5, 2022, 4:43 am
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       Wouldn't want us to move away from the Stoop but I do understand
       the benefits, financially, in doing so. I'm also not sure the
       fan experience would improve just for moving away.
       Loving the sunken pitch idea so that the stands maintain their
       current heights but that is some major reworking and the flood
       risk of course but that is decent innovation. I think Barcelona
       did something similar to get an extra tier in at some point.
       #Post#: 92607--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: Fearless Fred
       Date: July 5, 2022, 11:20 pm
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       A sunken pitch requires specific still/bedrock conditions to be
       feasible. Have you ever wondered why there's no subterranean
       stations/tube tunnels South of the river in London? It's because
       the South side is different soil/bedrock & it's not stable
       enough long term. Tunnels would sag over time& need continuous
       remedial work...
       #Post#: 92608--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: July 6, 2022, 12:53 am
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       However, the Stoop is north of the river
       #Post#: 92609--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: East Sussex Chris
       Date: July 6, 2022, 1:39 am
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       Why would you leave the current location and move out of town.
       Wasps Irish and Sarries have all tried it and come back in 2
       cases, and who would bet against the 3rd coming back. It doesn't
       work it is a failed model.
       #Post#: 92611--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Harlequins Begin Work On Renovating The Stoop
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: July 6, 2022, 2:17 am
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       Well if we have to leave The Stoop it would seem there are two
       choices:- Groundshare in London or move out to somewhere cheaper
       and rebuild.
       Or, thirdly, find a Rugby/Quins mad sugar daddy.
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