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#Post#: 91117--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: Comet
Date: June 5, 2022, 2:23 pm
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--- Quote from: SiB link ---
>
> As always enjoyed the trip to Sandy Park, did hear some odd
comments from home fans, but the majority where excellent as
always and one message came across loud and clear from them “ Go
and spoil Sarries come back season”
>
> Glad I’ve got my tickets that’s for sure as imagine with the
free for all there won’t be many available for long
>
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Yes, I was going to wait for confirmation of the line ups for
the semi but on Thursday I broke! I didn't want to miss out.
The boys can absolutely do it. We have what it takes to outrun
and out- skill them. We need to make sure we are smart too.
#Post#: 91125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: June 6, 2022, 5:18 am
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Watched the whole game yesterday. Fantastic to watch, some
excellent rugby, and good to see a few faces back and getting
time on the turf.
One question: can more knowledgeable posters on here explain to
me the definition of "back foot" when referred to as the point
where players may enter a ruck? Also, shouldn't players
bind/stay on their feet when entering a ruck?
#Post#: 91128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: June 6, 2022, 5:40 am
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Both are very loosely interpreted. The first is generally either
the hindmost foot of the rearmost player, though it can be
confusing when players are on the floor and it's usually more
appropriately judged for offsides rather than ruck entry point.
I've talked in the past how Exeter in particular are really bad
for their ruck entry angles and it's what injured Kenningham,
after Collier was hit by multiple players including Jonny Gray
straight in the side, dumping him straight on top of Kenningham
(who was to one side of the ruck). If there's players on the
floor in the way it's usually fine for arriving players to avoid
them but it can be a real mess.
Binding and staying on their feet both decoupled from the laws
as written quite some time ago and it's a subjective call almost
every time now. Generally, players will be penalised if they go
off their feet and seal the ball off, and they'll be penalised
if they "charge" the ruck without making an effort to bind.
Generally.
Sometimes.
#Post#: 91139--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: June 6, 2022, 6:30 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> Both are very loosely interpreted. The first is generally
either the hindmost foot of the rearmost player, though it can
be confusing when players are on the floor and it's usually more
appropriately judged for offsides rather than ruck entry point.
I've talked in the past how Exeter in particular are really bad
for their ruck entry angles and it's what injured Kenningham,
after Collier was hit by multiple players including Jonny Gray
straight in the side, dumping him straight on top of Kenningham
(who was to one side of the ruck). If there's players on the
floor in the way it's usually fine for arriving players to avoid
them but it can be a real mess.
>
> Binding and staying on their feet both decoupled from the laws
as written quite some time ago and it's a subjective call almost
every time now. Generally, players will be penalised if they go
off their feet and seal the ball off, and they'll be penalised
if they "charge" the ruck without making an effort to bind.
>
> Generally.
>
> Sometimes.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks. It seems that the ref wasn't really applying the law on
Saturday then. So many players seemed to charge in at the side,
and many were just heading in shoulder first.
#Post#: 91147--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: June 6, 2022, 6:56 am
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Really good breakdown there. I felt the Kenningham injury was
caused by one of their numpties jumping on top of the ruck and
bringing it down on top of Kenningham?
Anyway, that can be an O/T discussion over the summer re how
referring standards are slipping on these fringe incidents
around a ruck and forward passes. Bigger fish to fry till then!
#Post#: 91160--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: June 6, 2022, 8:01 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> Really good breakdown there. I felt the Kenningham injury was
caused by one of their numpties jumping on top of the ruck and
bringing it down on top of Kenningham?
>
> Anyway, that can be an O/T discussion over the summer re how
referring standards are slipping on these fringe incidents
around a ruck and forward passes. Bigger fish to fry till then!
>
--- End Quote ---
I originally thought that Kenningham was injured in the ruck
itself by being hit by multiple players coming in at multiple
angles (and yes Dave Ewers jumping on top of the ruck). But
after being told I was wrong (?!?!?!!) I went and looked at it
closely a few times and it's basically this:
Kenningham makes a tackle, and is on the floor rolling away from
the ruck. Collier is over the ball. Multiple Exeter players fly
into the ruck from all angles, including leaping on top of it,
and Gray comes in straight from the side (comical that the ref
didn't see this, but the red card incident happened a few
seconds later so it didn't change anything to our benefit), with
the end result being Collier is hit, twisted, and dumped to the
side of the ruck. Which is where Kenningham is just starting to
get up, and Collier and a few Exeter players are dumped onto his
upper body. Hence, neck injury.
Quinky - yes, and Exeter's breakdown approach is more extreme
than most because they don't play fetchers and their pack is
relatively slow, so they rely on blasting people out. While I do
think that they are bigger culprits than most in the league,
unfortunately it's an aspect of modern rugby that is a real
problem and is poorly refereed. Every team does it to some
extent and gets away with it. The ruck needs a rethink in my
opinion, and not just tinkering around the edges.
#Post#: 91168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: FatQuin
Date: June 6, 2022, 9:27 am
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Agreed Jammy. Leicester used to do it a lot (and purposely)
back in the day. it’s a shame that another team are using it as
a firm tactic rather than people occasionally using poor
technique. That said it would help if the officials actually
looked at it properly. TMO should be all over it with all the
cameras at prem level.
#Post#: 91170--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: June 6, 2022, 9:30 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> Both are very loosely interpreted. The first is generally
either the hindmost foot of the rearmost player, though it can
be confusing when players are on the floor and it's usually more
appropriately judged for offsides rather than ruck entry point.
I've talked in the past how Exeter in particular are really bad
for their ruck entry angles and it's what injured Kenningham,
after Collier was hit by multiple players including Jonny Gray
straight in the side, dumping him straight on top of Kenningham
(who was to one side of the ruck). If there's players on the
floor in the way it's usually fine for arriving players to avoid
them but it can be a real mess.
>
> Binding and staying on their feet both decoupled from the laws
as written quite some time ago and it's a subjective call almost
every time now. Generally, players will be penalised if they go
off their feet and seal the ball off, and they'll be penalised
if they "charge" the ruck without making an effort to bind.
>
> Generally.
>
> Sometimes.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well put.
Seems to me that the laws as they stand are actually pretty
decent/understandable, just so badly applied.
#Post#: 91179--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: Mr_B
Date: June 6, 2022, 11:32 am
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thought Care was daft slapping the Ex player on the head and
getting the warning of next one goes. Then you see the replay
and clearly see the ex player diving in head first into Danny's
head, didnt look a bad collision but he certainly struck his
head and Danny was berating the touch judge for not picking up
on it after. Not good to slap him but that should have been
looked at. What was it with Ex diving in off their feet into
almost every ruck and nothing pinged, crazy reffing..
#Post#: 91180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Teams Up!
DIR By: FatQuin
Date: June 6, 2022, 11:44 am
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Mainly because Tempest is an appalling ref. Players know and
try it on I reckon.
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