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#Post#: 89638--------------------------------------------------
Carley provocation
DIR By: Thesouthfields2
Date: April 30, 2022, 11:02 am
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I have never seen a professional ref attempt to wind up an
already yellow carded player as Carley did yesterday. He knew
what he was doing approaching Danny and goading him into saying
something else that would warrant a Red and let's face it Carley
has previous with Quins. I think it was very unprofessional but
not out of character with this thin skinned official.
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Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: Surbiton Quin
Date: April 30, 2022, 12:26 pm
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May have realised his howler over Wallace and decided that a
different headline would have that bit downgraded in the
reporting, Care record number of yellows was already known about
so why not go one better.
Just looked at law 3 on the World Rugby site
3.16 When a front-row player leaves the playing area, whether
through injury or temporary or permanent suspension, the referee
enquires at that time whether the team can continue with
contested scrums. If the referee is informed that the team will
not be able to contest the scrum, then the referee orders
uncontested scrums. If the player returns or another front-row
player comes on, then contested scrums may resume.
3.17 In a squad of 23 players or at the discretion of the match
organiser, a player whose departure has caused the referee to
order uncontested scrums cannot be replaced.
No exceptions for head injuries being different to other
injuries
3.27 covers HIA
Thought it was a bit odd at the time and if he's enforcing it
surely there would be a note on the official laws that this is
the case
#Post#: 89641--------------------------------------------------
Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: April 30, 2022, 2:04 pm
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That looks like they should have been down to 14 then. If that
is correct can they do anything about the result now. Or did the
match organiser use his discretion.
#Post#: 89644--------------------------------------------------
Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: Rigoletto
Date: April 30, 2022, 2:21 pm
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One of the commentators mentioned it but didn’t seem terribly
bothered that it hadn’t happened. They might not have been
entirely sure of themselves because neither of the others seemed
to pick up on it. It’s pretty bad if that is the case as we’d
have been playing against 14 for most of the match.
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Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: N1Quin
Date: April 30, 2022, 2:50 pm
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Wayne Barnes did a good video to explain this and includes a
grid on if a team should lose a player
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu66fiQnZgs
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HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnT18dX0AAWGiQ.jpg:large[/img]
If one of the injuries was a head injury, then no reduction to
14.
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Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: championes
Date: April 30, 2022, 3:42 pm
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I think slagging officials with personal slights is a little
beneath well behaved adults.
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Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: April 30, 2022, 3:50 pm
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Calling him thin skinned doesn't appear to be a particularly
personal slight.
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Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: April 30, 2022, 4:35 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> Calling him thin skinned doesn't appear to be a particularly
personal slight.
>
--- End Quote ---
The post was a bit longer than that.
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Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: Rocker
Date: April 30, 2022, 6:51 pm
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Carley is a whatsit though.
I said to my wife and mate that he was crap and oh look I was
right......
#Post#: 89653--------------------------------------------------
Re: Carley provocation
DIR By: Yareet
Date: May 1, 2022, 2:01 am
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--- Quote from: Thesouthfields2 link ---
>
> I have never seen a professional ref attempt to wind up an
already yellow carded player as Carley did yesterday. He knew
what he was doing approaching Danny and goading him into saying
something else that would warrant a Red and let's face it Carley
has previous with Quins. I think it was very unprofessional but
not out of character with this thin skinned official.
>
--- End Quote ---
My recollection was that Care was aggrieved by the pen against
Wallace and told Carley what he thought of him. Carley called
Care over to give him a yellow.
As Care was refusing to come over, Carley gave him the choice of
card colour. Care came across to me as somewhat petulant.
Whether Care agreed with the penalty call or not, he should
(IMO) respect the ref.
Compare with Barnes and Hartley or Dickson and Sinckler. Both
times the players received bans for not dissimilar offences to
Care’s.
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