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Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: September 26, 2018, 3:29 am
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: Quicker Quin
Date: September 26, 2018, 3:36 am
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Whether I agree with the phrasing may be another matter.
We have gone from a table position of 1st to 4th to 5th. We are
now 6th on an equal number of points with the club in 7th.
I can't see us winning away from home this weekend. Then we have
Saracens at home.....
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: DOK
Date: September 26, 2018, 3:58 am
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It's not a false dawn. It is what it is. A position achieved
(yes, that is the right word) by dogging out games that last
season we would have given up on. The lack of actual wins is
down to 3 yellow cards in Bristol's case. There does seem to be
a culture of not listening to the coaches, and then there's the
question of whether the coaches have the right idea. Gustard's
comment that we'd have been better off playing without the ball
for the middle 40 minutes seems bizarre, but he has the stats
and the GPS and all that, maybe he's right.
Anyway, if the players sort out the discipline and Gustard sorts
out the defence, and we get some of the walking wounded back in
the game, then I'm confident we'll start surprising a few
people. Maybe next week is too early and then Saracens is too
early to meet them, but after that?
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: September 26, 2018, 4:17 am
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The only thing I could maybe think of re the playing without the
ball, PG looked at the conditions (esp after we were 10-0 up)
and decided to let Gloucs have the ball and trust our defence
(which is pretty good on paper, only 9 tries against. Only
Exeter are better with 8.) and wait or their mistakes (bit like
Sarries used to tbh) The problem was the pens gave them points
and territory. I still think (not sure others will agree) that
had we behaved better, not give away those pens (which cost at
least 6 points) we could have won that game.
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: September 26, 2018, 4:42 am
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Madigan was the difference. Nobody thought he could kick from
distance accurately in those wet and windy conditions. But he
did.
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: Quins Head
Date: September 26, 2018, 4:57 am
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False dawn isn’t the right words but we are not a top six side
in my view as things stand and won’t be after the next two games
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: September 26, 2018, 5:00 am
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> Madigan was the difference. Nobody thought he could kick from
distance accurately in those wet and windy conditions. But he
did.
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Wish we never gave him the chance to though!!!
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: Cookie
Date: September 26, 2018, 5:05 am
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--- Quote from: honkytonk link ---
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> The only thing I could maybe think of re the playing without
the ball, PG looked at the conditions (esp after we were 10-0
up) and decided to let Gloucs have the ball and trust our
defence (which is pretty good on paper, only 9 tries against.
Only Exeter are better with 8.) and wait or their mistakes (bit
like Sarries used to tbh) The problem was the pens gave them
points and territory. I still think (not sure others will
agree) that had we behaved better, not give away those pens
(which cost at least 6 points) we could have won that game.
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I agree we could and maybe should have won. But not giving away
penalties is part of good defence. A penalty won is better than
a line break. I'm not sure we can say our defence is good when
we give away 13 penalties and 3 yellow cards. The flipside of
being 2nd best in tries conceded is we're worst in penalties
conceded and therefore 8th in points conceded.
The other problem, of course, is that we only broke their line
twice.
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: September 26, 2018, 7:09 am
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> Quins can’t expect ‘flyers’ like they do have to produce in
defence for 80minutes and let the attacking game pass them by.
If you’re going to keep the ball in the tight then why field a
backline of speedsters not renowned for their defence?
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This is the pertinent paragraph I think.
I really don't know why we're not trying to put the ball through
the hands at all.
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Re: Quins league position is a false dawn
DIR By: Quinky
Date: September 26, 2018, 7:27 am
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> False dawn isn’t the right words but we are not a top six side
in my view as things stand and won’t be after the next two
games
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Where do you think we'll be after the next 15 games?
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