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#Post#: 86859--------------------------------------------------
Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: Monte
Date: March 21, 2022, 4:57 am
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Did anyone at the Irish game notice this being used? It tells
you how fast a hooker’s throw in is, what direction the ball was
thrown etc. It is apparently being trialled in the Cup and
according to Ben Kay and Oz if adopted should put an end to any
arguments over forward passes. No mention if it can tell you if
it is a try but presumably would need a laser on the lines to
know if it had crossed. All very high tech.
#Post#: 86860--------------------------------------------------
Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: RobboQuin
Date: March 21, 2022, 5:13 am
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Yes, saw a post on this the other day, developed by a company
call Sportable -
HTML https://www.sportable.com/
Believe they also used it for the RugbyX tournament a couple of
years ago.
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Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: March 21, 2022, 5:52 am
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--- Quote from: Monte link ---
>
> Did anyone at the Irish game notice this being used? It tells
you how fast a hooker’s throw in is, what direction the ball was
thrown etc. It is apparently being trialled in the Cup and
according to Ben Kay and Oz if adopted should put an end to any
arguments over forward passes. No mention if it can tell you if
it is a try but presumably would need a laser on the lines to
know if it had crossed. All very high tech.
>
--- End Quote ---
To detect a forward pass you'd need to combine it with 'smart'
rugby players.
#Post#: 86863--------------------------------------------------
Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 21, 2022, 5:58 am
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--- Quote from: Monte link ---
>
> Did anyone at the Irish game notice this being used? It tells
you how fast a hooker’s throw in is, what direction the ball was
thrown etc. It is apparently being trialled in the Cup and
according to Ben Kay and Oz if adopted should put an end to any
arguments over forward passes. No mention if it can tell you if
it is a try but presumably would need a laser on the lines to
know if it had crossed. All very high tech.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sounds to me like Kay and Healey have completely misunderstood
what it's for, then. It's not going to be used that way. They're
going to collect the data and see if it CAN be used to help with
forward passes, but the smart money is on "no" for a variety of
reasons.
The 'smart ball' is just for boring Americanised metrics.
#Post#: 86864--------------------------------------------------
Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: QuinKent
Date: March 21, 2022, 6:28 am
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Wouldn’t be needed at the Stoop, as we are always on hand to
point out forward passes and wonky line outs to the Ref, at
least on opposition plays.
#Post#: 86871--------------------------------------------------
Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: March 21, 2022, 9:05 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> Sounds to me like Kay and Healey have completely misunderstood
what it's for, then. It's not going to be used that way. They're
going to collect the data and see if it CAN be used to help with
forward passes, but the smart money is on "no" for a variety of
reasons.
>
> The 'smart ball' is just for boring Americanised metrics.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, I was under the impression that these would be used to
"improve" the viewer experience, by giving us various stats in
play, rather than being used as a refereeing tool. Obviously it
could be used for things such as forward pass, try referrals to
TMO, where did the ball cross the line for lineout, etc, but I'm
not sure how valuable that would be in practice.
I do wonder how much these new stats would add to the TV viewing
experience. I appreciate they're always trying to do new things
to grow the game and it seems a relatively simple,
non-controversial thing to bring in. Whether it would be the key
thing to causing someone to switch off the football / strictly
and watch the rugby instead I don't know
#Post#: 86875--------------------------------------------------
Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: Fearless Fred
Date: March 21, 2022, 9:33 am
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I know stats bore some fans, but there's others who love them.
Just look at the stats-obsessives for Cricket and Baseball
(particularly the latter). I'm not fussed either way, but if it
interests people, then I'm happy for it to be added to the
sport.
#Post#: 86877--------------------------------------------------
Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 21, 2022, 10:00 am
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--- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
>
> Yes, I was under the impression that these would be used to
"improve" the viewer experience, by giving us various stats in
play, rather than being used as a refereeing tool. Obviously it
could be used for things such as forward pass, try referrals to
TMO, where did the ball cross the line for lineout, etc, but I'm
not sure how valuable that would be in practice.
>
> I do wonder how much these new stats would add to the TV
viewing experience. I appreciate they're always trying to do new
things to grow the game and it seems a relatively simple,
non-controversial thing to bring in. Whether it would be the key
thing to causing someone to switch off the football / strictly
and watch the rugby instead I don't know
>
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Oh, I love stats, I was being slightly self deprecating there!
It's not going to be used for forward passes, though. They're
just going to use the data to see what it looks like when passes
are forward and to see if it can be used to help in future. It's
not as simple as "oh we're tracking the ball now, we can always
see when it goes forward" because 90% of passes go "forward" in
that sense :-)
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> Alongside the benefits to teams and fans, the project will
also be used to assess the value that the Smart Ball can add to
officiating through the automatic detection of forward passes.
While this won't be a fan facing activity in the first instance,
the research on the forward pass could prove pivotal in
informing enhancements for match officials moving forward and
assist in the broader, continuing efforts to avoid long TMO
delays and speed up the game.
>
> Expect to see new insights into the kicking and passing that
determines the balance of the game.
>
> Fastest/longest passers
> which teams play a more expansive game through longer, wider
passing
> Passing trends off left and right hands
> Who are the most powerful, most accurate kickers
> Which players/teams are taking more/less risk in their
clearance kicking game and gaining more territory
> Which players/teams are setting up turnover and disruption
opportunities through effective hang-times on box kicks,
restarts and up & unders
>
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As someone who has to work with stats on a professional level -
though I'm not a statistician - I'm painfully aware that using
stats badly is very easy to do.
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Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: Monte
Date: March 21, 2022, 10:22 am
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The Company involved with this is based at the Stonex and
partnered with Sarries,Tigers,Bath and Ealing T/F
HTML https://www.sportable.com/
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Re: Prem Cup ‘smart’ rugby balls
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: March 21, 2022, 10:30 am
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--- Quote from: Monte link ---
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> The Company involved with this is based at the Stonex and
partnered with Sarries,Tigers,Bath and Ealing T/F
>
>
>
HTML https://www.sportable.com/
>
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Booooooooo
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