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#Post#: 86517--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: March 15, 2022, 5:43 pm
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The defending team doesn't need to bring down a successful choke
tackle, the ball can't be released so even if it stays up its
their put in. If it collapses it's because up until the point
the ref calls maul the attacking team have been trying to bring
it to ground to make it a completed tackle. So when maul is
called the defenders can let them drop it.
There's no benefit to the defending team collapsing a choke
tackle.
#Post#: 86518--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: Saintquin
Date: March 15, 2022, 5:46 pm
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--- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
>
> I've never understood with a choke tackle why the defending
team are allowed to collapse the resulting maul and win the
turnover. Why can you legally collapse a choke tackle maul but
not any other maul?
>
--- End Quote ---
Think I'm right here.
If the defending team collapse a maul it's a penalty to the
attacking team.
If the attacking team collapse it then the defending team get
the scrum put in if the ball is not playable. If the the maul is
stationary for a period of time (ref's discretion) the defending
team get's the scrum put in.
#Post#: 86522--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: March 15, 2022, 6:25 pm
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--- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
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> I've never understood with a choke tackle why the defending
team are allowed to collapse the resulting maul and win the
turnover. Why can you legally collapse a choke tackle maul but
not any other maul?
>
--- End Quote ---
You can’t. Not sure where you’ve got that from.
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Re: High Tackles
DIR By: never sleep
Date: March 16, 2022, 3:54 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
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> You can’t. Not sure where you’ve got that from.
>
--- End Quote ---
The team with the ball will usually take it to ground.
Basically, if you stay on your feet, then it is a scrum to the
other team.
But, if you take it to ground AND you get the ball into a
playable position, then it is a ruck and play on.
Otherwise - it is a scrum to the other team as well. (Unplayable
ball and not going forward.)
Your only other option is to pile bodies in and to keep the ball
moving forward and hope that you can smuggle the ball to the
back of the maul.
#Post#: 86537--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 16, 2022, 4:17 am
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--- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
> There's no benefit to the defending team collapsing a choke
tackle.
>
--- End Quote ---
There is - if the maul formed from it is still moving forward,
or there's a risk that the ball will become playable.
T-Bone isn't wrong, by the letter of the law the defenders are
not allowed to collapse the maul formed by a choke tackle but
it's allowed far more often than a normal maul.
#Post#: 86541--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: poorfour
Date: March 16, 2022, 5:21 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> There is - if the maul formed from it is still moving forward,
or there's a risk that the ball will become playable.
>
> T-Bone isn't wrong, by the letter of the law the defenders are
not allowed to collapse the maul formed by a choke tackle but
it's allowed far more often than a normal maul.
>
--- End Quote ---
Quite. For some reason we've normalised that a choke tackle is a
kind of maul where the defenders get extra benefits. I would
like to see refs enforce the maul laws more strictly. It's still
a tackle until a second attacker joins, if the ball carrier can
get a knee to the ground it's a ruck and if the defenders take
it down it's a penalty.
#Post#: 86545--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: March 16, 2022, 5:53 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> Quite. For some reason we've normalised that a choke tackle is
a kind of maul where the defenders get extra benefits. I would
like to see refs enforce the maul laws more strictly. It's still
a tackle until a second attacker joins, if the ball carrier can
get a knee to the ground it's a ruck and if the defenders take
it down it's a penalty.
>
--- End Quote ---
2 defenders and one ball carrier is not a tackle until the the
ball-carrier has been brought to ground and it isn't a maul
either.
#Post#: 86546--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: poorfour
Date: March 16, 2022, 5:59 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
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> 2 defenders and one ball carrier is not a tackle until the the
ball-carrier has been brought to ground and it isn't a maul
either.
>
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It's not a completed tackle, but it's a tackle in progress - you
will sometimes hear refs shouting "Tackle only!" to distinguish
it from a maul
#Post#: 86547--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: March 16, 2022, 6:00 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> There is - if the maul formed from it is still moving forward,
or there's a risk that the ball will become playable.
>
> T-Bone isn't wrong, by the letter of the law the defenders are
not allowed to collapse the maul formed by a choke tackle but
it's allowed far more often than a normal maul.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's a tricky one, though, because in a choke tackle situation
the one person you can guarantee is trying to get to ground is
the ball carrier, which is legal.
#Post#: 86548--------------------------------------------------
Re: High Tackles
DIR By: never sleep
Date: March 16, 2022, 6:01 am
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At the Richmond game on Saturday, Lennox Anyanwu had a good line
break.
But, 2 Hartpury players did a choke tackle on him.
As it was a good line break, there wasn't any Richmond player
around to bind. So, Lenny got pushed back around 10 yards (maybe
more).
Then, when he did finally get his knee down, the Hartpury
players were in a perfect position to jackal and forced a
penalty.
So, your options are, bind with the player and stop him being
forced back and possibly give away a scrum.
Or, give away a penalty 10 yards back towards your own tryline.
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