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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: Rocker
Date: February 6, 2022, 4:16 pm
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The excess death figure is not a "scientific" number.
There were <7,000 who's deaths were mainly or solely due to
COVID from March 20 till Dec 21 according to ONS....
This does not tell the whole story of course as most of those
who died of, or with it, were >80 therefore likely had many
contributing factors.
If you look at the number of deaths each year it has been
increasing for many years other than a few small blips. Probably
due to an increasing number of people in the country and more
older people who of course are at more risk of dying.
There is we have to remember no possibility (at the moment) of
immortality. We are all mortal beings and will at some point
die. There are only two certainties in life, death and taxes.
At any rate Omicron has totally changed the picture.
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: February 6, 2022, 4:23 pm
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That is a dramatic misunderstanding of what "with covid" and "of
covid" really mean. The vast majority of those people are dead
because of covid.
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: February 6, 2022, 4:39 pm
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I don’t suppose we’ll ever know the true numbers as each country
uses a different way of measuring reasons for deaths but how
many excess deaths are because of covid not from it. Just as
another example, a relative died last year and the death
certificate had the heart attack that killed them, heart
disease, kidney failure, diabetes and covid positive. Guess
which statistic gets added to even though it’s not what killed
them. They were 82.
I also watched a program where an expert pulled apart all
the stats and explained the contexts and how you can manipulate
them to show whatever you want if you leave out certain
information.
I think most people seem to have decided that rather than not
going out or doing anything they would take their chances and go
back to as normal as possible.
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: February 6, 2022, 4:52 pm
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They would have been added to the statistic that records whether
they had covid when they died. If covid contributed to their
death, then that is recorded. The BBC has a primer here:
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60000391
Important quote:
"During autumn and the run-up to Christmas, only about 15% of
deaths involving Covid in England and Wales did not list Covid
as the cause.
In the week after Christmas, that rose to 22%"
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: Wirralquin
Date: February 7, 2022, 12:30 am
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: February 7, 2022, 1:45 am
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> But not required in pubs/bars.
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Or shops.
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: PhilQuin2
Date: February 7, 2022, 3:01 am
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Personally I find this all very confusing & still
controversial (-personally, I wear a mask whenever faced with a
'press' of people, whether indoors or out - a perfect example is
the exit from West Stand towards the Jason Leonard gate after
the match).
What I think would help me see things more objectively would be
if they published the stats for other seasonal endemics like
'flu alongside these Covid ones.
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: Rocker
Date: February 7, 2022, 3:43 am
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Try this:
HTML https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: February 7, 2022, 3:44 am
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> I think we've had enough of masks, distancing. Time to move on
a live with it.
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We are living with it.
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Re: Re: PostCovid or non-existent
DIR By: PhilQuin2
Date: February 8, 2022, 4:07 am
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> Try this:
>
HTML https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020
>
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Thank you.
So Covid is still much livelier than a 'traditional' endemic;
I'll keep wearing a mask in crowded spots until it calms down to
more 'normal' levels.
[PS: for whomever said it, just because one is 80+ doesn't
mean one is any more 'philosophical' about dying, especially of
something caught from an irresponsible, self-indulgent
grandchild.]
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