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#Post#: 82549--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: never sleep
Date: January 19, 2022, 7:40 am
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--- Quote from: TomBuckQuin link ---
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> I actually think you're spot on that there probably have been
potential English answers to Esterhuizen that have ended up in
the back row - but asking an 8 to switch to 12 at international
level is, in my mind, more likely to be an unmitigated disaster
than a stroke of genius, particularly with defence in mind as I
mentioned above.
>
> It does feel like there has been a breakthrough in thinking
around the merits of a proper unit at 12 (who doesn't neglect
skills training) in recent seasons though and I'm hopeful we'll
see some meaty centres with a well-developed all round game
coming through Prem academy pipelines in the next few years. I'm
excited to see how Lennox Anyanwu develops for us in
particular...
>
--- End Quote ---
Lennox needs to change his running lines. On Saturday, he ran
too many cross field lines rather than going straight at
Scottish. (although in fairness, he was playing at 13)
#Post#: 82551--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: Man From LA
Date: January 19, 2022, 7:47 am
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--- Quote from: Monte link ---
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> If you listen to Squidge he says DC manages our games not
Marcus. In fact when you have absorbed that and then watch Quins
play he is largely right.
>
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I get your point but whoever managed England's games against SA
(and Tonga) in the AI's, be it Smith/Slade/Youngs etc, they did
it successfully without the need of Farrell's game management
(or leadership sic). Jones using those reasons as to why Farrell
must play no-matter-what just doesn't stack up when you look at
how England played without him.
#Post#: 82553--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: January 19, 2022, 8:21 am
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--- Quote from: TomBuckQuin link ---
> It does feel like there has been a breakthrough in thinking
around the merits of a proper unit at 12
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I don't wish to challenge your observation, but isn't this the
old-fangled "crash ball centre"? Perhaps you could expand a
little on what the breakthrough is?
#Post#: 82556--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 19, 2022, 10:44 am
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--- Quote from: Man From LA link ---
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> I get your point but whoever managed England's games against
SA (and Tonga) in the AI's, be it Smith/Slade/Youngs etc, they
did it successfully without the need of Farrell's game
management (or leadership sic). Jones using those reasons as to
why Farrell must play no-matter-what just doesn't stack up when
you look at how England played without him.
>
--- End Quote ---
England genuinely played better without Farrell there. He was
just a step behind everyone else and making it very ponderous.
This 6N really has to be his last chance saloon; it's not up to
Smith to prove he can play with Farrell, it's up to Farrell -
who stank out the place last 6N and had a very poor Lions tour,
then looked awkward before injury - to prove he deserves to play
alongside Smith.
#Post#: 82568--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: Archquin
Date: January 19, 2022, 2:17 pm
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No Huw Jones in Scotland squad - should get more of a chance
with Quins as Northmore away
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Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: poorfour
Date: January 19, 2022, 3:36 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> England genuinely played better without Farrell there. He was
just a step behind everyone else and making it very ponderous.
This 6N really has to be his last chance saloon; it's not up to
Smith to prove he can play with Farrell, it's up to Farrell -
who stank out the place last 6N and had a very poor Lions tour,
then looked awkward before injury - to prove he deserves to play
alongside Smith.
>
--- End Quote ---
He was definitely off the pace in the last 6N, but it's hard to
judge Farrell on the AIs based on 65 minutes. And I'm not going
to judge anyone except Gatland for the Lions tour.
Eddie clearly thinks he can improve Smith's performance and
given the lack of credible alternatives at 12, it's worth seeing
if he can. But if he doesn't perform or stifles the attack, I
hope someone else is brought in.
#Post#: 82575--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: Twickersman
Date: January 19, 2022, 4:30 pm
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I think the reference to Sam Burgess is a joke. He had played 0%
time in Union and was asked to come over and play flanker for
his club and centre for his country.
Centers and Flankers are roughly the same size and if you look
at Andre, he is better over the ball than many 7s in the
Premiership.
It will be interesting to see how Edide uses all the hybrid
players that he keeps mentioning.
#Post#: 82581--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 19, 2022, 6:14 pm
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> He was definitely off the pace in the last 6N, but it's hard
to judge Farrell on the AIs based on 65 minutes. And I'm not
going to judge anyone except Gatland for the Lions tour.
>
> Eddie clearly thinks he can improve Smith's performance and
given the lack of credible alternatives at 12, it's worth seeing
if he can. But if he doesn't perform or stifles the attack, I
hope someone else is brought in.
>
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I can and will judge the 65 minutes he spent on the pitch, where
he looked pretty awful - and just how much better England were
once he was out of the picture. After all, he's just been
shoehorned back into the squad on the back of no rugby.
As for the Lions tour, that was Farrell's kind of rugby, but it
also doesn't excuse his failings. Poor kicking, ponderous in
attack, missing tackles - he went from one of the favourites to
start to being a complete also-ran. His horror show was one of
the main reasons the Lions lost to SA 'A'.
How long would you give him? The full 6N? How do we develop
credible alternatives if Captain Kicks-it has a lock on the 12
shirt regardless of fitness or form?
#Post#: 82584--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: January 20, 2022, 1:47 am
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--- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
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> I sincerely hope Eddie doesn't pick a forward at 12.
>
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Me too, but it if it's a choice between archie white and
Farrell then get your boots on archie.
#Post#: 82593--------------------------------------------------
Re: England Squad announced
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: January 20, 2022, 3:27 am
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Being realistic and listening to the RUW pod, he's gonna play
the whole 6N as, quote, "Marcus can be an outstanding
10......with Farrell outside him" hence Eddie believes that he
will only dominate sides (as he has been doing for Quins for
about a year now) with only the handbrake there. So that tells
us he gets the whole tournament to prove Eddie right.
If he's poor then he won't tour Australia in the summer and
that'll be his time done. Eddie will want a get out of jail free
card if it doesn't work so expect the 'I gave him the chance but
he didn't take it' defence and that will see Farrell off, into
the sunset.
If he does play well however and bring the point of difference,
Eddie will expect a lifetime contract and a pay rise. For me
Smith, Slade, Marchant (Northmore off the bench)
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