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#Post#: 6968--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: DOK
Date: September 23, 2018, 11:40 am
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Paul Gustard said that in the middle 40 we'd have been better
off playing without the ball, so it does seem to be part of the
game plan. There was a lot less arm flapping than usual.
#Post#: 7046--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: Jus-Quin-Time
Date: September 24, 2018, 7:52 am
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I have never really grasped the concept of choosing to play
without the ball.
With the ball in hand there is a commitment to attack, put the
opposition under pressure and wrest an advantage which ideally
will get points on the board. Isn't that the essence of the
game? By choosing to give away possession and play without the
ball the only recourse is to defend and in rugby that generally
includes attempting to get the ball back.... thats the bit I
just don't understand...kicking the ball back to a team in the
hope they will make an error or you can win it back at a
breakdown. If they don't make an error and you can't win it
back fairly then presumably you are prepared to spend the
afternoon hoping for the best in your own 22?
I understand this has been the playing philosophy at Saracens
(in the past?) but are there any top teams - international or
domestic - where this is the usual approach?
"would have been better off playing without the ball" just
sounds plain daft and from where I was sitting we seemed to be
doing an excellent job of avoiding the thing most of the game
anyway!
It will be fascinating to see how Gloucester prepare for DC's
box kicks....bet they are out on the park this very afternoon
practicing.
#Post#: 7071--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: Aha!
Date: September 24, 2018, 10:37 am
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I think he's lost a bit of his mojo through frustration - it's
not just his box-kicking. He used to whip the ball away but now
he takes 2 or 3 telegraphed steps as though he doesn't trust his
outsiders. See the difference Mulchrone's 'whips' made against
Bath.
#Post#: 7073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: September 24, 2018, 11:12 am
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He very nearly gave a try away standing 4 feet from a ruck
looking at the ref in our 22 on Saturday.
#Post#: 7074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: September 24, 2018, 11:20 am
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--- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
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> He very nearly gave a try away standing 4 feet from a ruck
looking at the ref in our 22 on Saturday.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeah, that summed it up for me.
#Post#: 7118--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: September 25, 2018, 3:26 am
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All the flapping really started for me when EJ took over England
and I can only assume his message was that Danny didn’t do
enough to influence referees at the breakdown or scrum. It’s
what we felt made him better than Youngs who did that quite
regularly and had the ball snaffled from under him.
I think if Danny was dropped from England with no obvious path
back, he’d play a more natural game and we’d see the best of him
again and if his form got him a recall into the World Cup squad
then so be it.
His box kicking has always been atrocious though, so no real
change there.
#Post#: 7134--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: Everyone’s a Quinner
Date: September 25, 2018, 5:57 am
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I seem to remember him doing it a W while back, I think around
the time we had O’Neill’s as our kit provider in 2013 I remember
him doing it a bit then
#Post#: 7195--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: September 26, 2018, 4:18 am
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The bloke scored a great try and saved 2 others against us. I'm
not joining the "Get Care" brigade.
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Re: Danny Care
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: September 26, 2018, 4:23 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> The bloke scored a great try and saved 2 others against us.
I'm not joining the "Get Care" brigade.
>
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Dont think anyone is trying to "Get" him. More pointing out
where his game is failing and how we are looking better with
Mulchrone playing. First 10/15 mins on Saturday I thought "ah,
at last Care is concentrating on the ball. In and out, bit of
pace". He scored a great try but then seemed to revert back
again. The try he saved on our line from the scrum, from memory
(and I stand to be corrected of course) he could have prevented
by just getting the ball out anyway. Done well to stop the score
but should not have been in that position anyway.
#Post#: 7199--------------------------------------------------
Re: Danny Care
DIR By: Teddington Taff
Date: September 26, 2018, 4:29 am
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I think thathe would benefit from being dropped by England and
starting each of the next four matches from the bench.
I agree with the adverse comments about his kicking game. I
also think that he is half a second off the pace with his
decision making when feeding the ball out. He's definitley lost
his mojo and then frustratingly has one or two moments of sheer
brilliance in a game - which (wrongly) keeps him in contention
for a starting place.
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