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#Post#: 79486--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: December 7, 2021, 6:50 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> I don't think it was even that bad a decision - he saw that
the defenders had committed early and it left a gap to go
through, and backed himself to get there.
>
> ...
>
--- End Quote ---
He'd looked and seen who was outside him before he got the ball.
He could still have passed before the gap closed. Instead he
backed himself against a 2 on 0. I'd call that bad decision
making.
#Post#: 79491--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: The Absolute Quintet
Date: December 7, 2021, 7:20 am
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Having bigged him up before the game, and only this morning seen
the incident, have to accept the view of the majority on here.
It definitely should have gone.
Glory hunting or a lack of confidence to make the pass, feels a
bit more like the former, but having made the decision he didn't
help himself by hugging the ball, making it easy for Potter to
wrap him up. Ball in two hands, one then freed to make even half
a fend and he may have made it.
Rose tinted specs off.
#Post#: 79495--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: poorfour
Date: December 7, 2021, 8:02 am
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This was part of my degree. Basically, your conscious brain can
make reasoned decisions, but it's slow and can only handle a
limited amount of information. The solution is that you teach
yourself automated reactions to particular sets of stimuli. This
enables you to respond sensibly to things much more quickly and
with lower cognitive load.
Where it can go wrong is when two similar-looking situations
need different responses and either one response pattern is much
stronger than the other or your conscious brain is distracted by
something else. Or where the rules change and a situation that
needed one response in the past needs a different one now.
In Jones's case, he saw and reacted to a situation where last
season there was a positive outcome almost all the time - either
you score, you get a 5m scrum or you tie in defenders. This
season, there's a negative outcome if the defenders can hold you
up. He - like most other players - hasn't yet had the chance to
train his brain that the percentages are different now and you
need to be more certain of your gap to go for it.
#Post#: 79499--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: December 7, 2021, 9:08 am
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--- Quote ---
> In Jones's case, he saw and reacted to a situation where last
season there was a positive outcome almost all the time - either
you score, you get a 5m scrum or you tie in defenders. This
season, there's a negative outcome if the defenders can hold you
up. He - like most other players - hasn't yet had the chance to
train his brain that the percentages are different now and you
need to be more certain of your gap to go for it.
--- End Quote ---
There was only one positive outcome from that position - a try -
and one negative one - no try. And he butchered it. You don't
need to train your brain for percentages when you've got the
time and awareness of player positioning that he had. He didn't
have a split second to make the decision - he had all the time
from before he received the ball until he was completely
committed to trying himself.
#Post#: 79500--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: Ignoramus
Date: December 7, 2021, 9:19 am
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One factor we haven't considered so far (unless I missed
something) is communication. Is there a role for communication
in these situations, like the player outside calling/screaming
"outside" or whatever, or is the crowd noise too strong to allow
that. Having only played in front of 750/1000 max, I sadly have
no experience of the big stage.
#Post#: 79501--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: never sleep
Date: December 7, 2021, 9:33 am
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I still think that singling him out based on making a 50/50
decision is harsh. We may have knocked -on if the pass had been
made.
1. Marcus got 10 minutes on the naughty step. Tigers scored
during this period. He also missed a conversion which would have
given us a draw.
2. Andre chose not to kick the ball into touch - which directly
led to a try.
3. Dommers knocked on a cross field kick which would have been a
walk in.
Why are we not talking about these incidents.
#Post#: 79503--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: December 7, 2021, 10:12 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
>
> I still think that singling him out based on making a 50/50
decision is harsh. We may have knocked -on if the pass had been
made.
> 1. Marcus got 10 minutes on the naughty step. Tigers scored
during this period. He also missed a conversion which would have
given us a draw.
> 2. Andre chose not to kick the ball into touch - which
directly led to a try.
> 3. Dommers knocked on a cross field kick which would have been
a walk in.
> Why are we not talking about these incidents.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sure, I'm not trying to pillory him. But it was a bad mistake in
a close relatively low scoring game.
Marcus's yellow was a very stupid thing to do.
Andre should have made touch.
If it's the one I'm remembering I think the kick to Dommers was
slightly strong.
#Post#: 79505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: December 7, 2021, 10:17 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
> ...he backed himself against a 2 on 0...
--- End Quote ---
Jones was there too!
He evidently wasn't there or at the races.
#Post#: 79506--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: December 7, 2021, 10:20 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
>
> This was part of my degree. Basically, your conscious brain
can make reasoned decisions, but it's slow and can only handle a
limited amount of information. The solution is that you teach
yourself automated reactions to particular sets of stimuli. This
enables you to respond sensibly to things much more quickly and
with lower cognitive load.
>
> Where it can go wrong is when two similar-looking situations
need different responses and either one response pattern is much
stronger than the other or your conscious brain is distracted by
something else. Or where the rules change and a situation that
needed one response in the past needs a different one now.
>
> In Jones's case, he saw and reacted to a situation where last
season there was a positive outcome almost all the time - either
you score, you get a 5m scrum or you tie in defenders. This
season, there's a negative outcome if the defenders can hold you
up. He - like most other players - hasn't yet had the chance to
train his brain that the percentages are different now and you
need to be more certain of your gap to go for it.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think your degree has led to you massively over-thinking this,
ironically enough. Jones made a decision that would've been a
terrible one last season as well. Blowing a guaranteed try with
a 2-man overlap by going for glory yourself is not excused
because of the potential for a 5m scrum or tying in defenders.
It's still bombing a try by making a terrible decision.
There is absolutely no way the change in laws has anything to do
with this - if you choose to go it alone for the harder chance
of scoring versus passing to the unmarked people outside you
who'll walk in then you done messed up big time
#Post#: 79519--------------------------------------------------
Re: Huw Jones
DIR By: Sketchley
Date: December 8, 2021, 1:00 am
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I think Jones did exactly what he is trained to do, he waited
for the outside defender to commit then straightened, 9 out of
10 times that's a walk in try. If anything it is good defending,
as the outside defender actions led to Jones taking the inside
and saved the try, had the defender not stepped out or stepped
out further it's 100% a try.
All the being said it was 2 on 1 outside and a pass (if
successful) is also a walk.
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