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       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: Quanks
       Date: November 23, 2021, 4:35 am
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       Eye-opening video - completely proved for me that Rassie Erasmus
       is bad for the sport and his ban wasn't long enough!
       #Post#: 78737--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: raedarius
       Date: November 23, 2021, 7:37 am
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       As well as rugby league, rugby union, sevens, tens, twelves, we
       now have the dawn of an exciting new form - forensic rugby.  It
       combines the usual pleasures of rugby union with the best of
       cutting edge crime detection techniques.  They should brand it
       CSI:Rugby, but I suspect that this would breach copyright
       somewhere.  The great thing about CSI:Rugby is that you don't
       even need to play, you just need a recording of a game that's
       already happened.
       #Post#: 78738--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: November 23, 2021, 7:45 am
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       --- Quote from: raedarius link ---
       >
       > The great thing about CSI:Rugby is that you don't even need to
       play, you just need a recording of a game that's already
       happened.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       And one malfunctioning eye
       #Post#: 78739--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: November 23, 2021, 8:04 am
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       I find the whole "blame the ref" thing a bit tedious.
       Sure, there are times when a ref makes a howler - or makes a
       decision that you think is very unfair. (I am thinking of the
       Quins v Wuss game a few years back where the AR put up his flag
       to indicate that the ball was out of play and all of our players
       stopped. The ref disagreed and didn't blow his whistle. A Wuss
       player who was oblivious to the AR's flag grabbed the ball and
       ran and scored a try - which the ref awarded. And, the ref
       refused to go back and check with the TMO.)
       But, generally, I am sitting in the stands 50 to 100 yards away
       from the breakdown. There is no way that I can see what is
       really happening.
       So, I usually just go along with the ref's call. Sometimes the
       ref is unsighted. Sometimes he gets a 50/50 call wrong. This
       happens. But, it happens equally for both teams.
       I was at the Richmond v Ampthill game on Saturday. There was a
       player sitting in the stand who had a deep, loud voice and
       continually bellowed - "off his feet", "in at the side",
       "support body weight", "offside", "high tackle", "no arms" etc,
       etc. Maybe he was correct. He probably wasn't. But, the one
       thing I do know is that he sounded like a pillock. (Hoping that
       pillock gets through the profanity filter)
       Generally though - the main reason for losing a game is not
       scoring enough points. It really has little to do with the ref.
       If you don't want to be on the receiving end of a one point loss
       - then score a few more tries and put the game beyond reach.
       As for the fans in the stadium. Sit back and enjoy the game and,
       if you feel the need to shout - then shout support for your team
       instead.
       #Post#: 78742--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: MadMax
       Date: November 23, 2021, 9:24 am
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       Totally agree never sleep. It's a good job players and
       supporters never make a mistake isn't it?
       #Post#: 78748--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: The Absolute Quintet
       Date: November 23, 2021, 2:06 pm
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       You raise a good point never sleep. I have to admit to the
       occasional barked reference to the behaviour of the oppo at the
       breakdown.  Whilst in the moment I’m convinced these
       contributions add crystal clarity to the events before my fellow
       supporters, I agree the supporter/commentator is generally a
       dull thing and can be positively intrusive.
       #Post#: 78749--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: Mayor West
       Date: November 23, 2021, 2:12 pm
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       You would have a grievance about the officials if you had the
       example of last years six nations England v Wales situation with
       two of the Welsh tries. I also didn’t think Zammit’s try was
       grounded last week. In fact the only people in the clubhouse
       that thought it was a try were all Welsh. They are all try
       scoring scenarios which are direct influences on the outcome of
       the game. The odd penalty here and there on a 50/50 is
       acceptable but when nearly everybody thinks the decision is
       wrong then that can’t be right.
       Probably the most annoying thing is when the ref won’t
       look at something that seemed obviously wrong to all but them.
       There have been many of these I remember over the years and we
       can bemoan them on here but I don’t think anybody has made an
       hour long rant (even though they won) and then another after a
       close loss.
       #Post#: 78772--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: RocQuin
       Date: November 24, 2021, 10:29 am
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       --- Quote from: Mayor West link ---
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       > SA are going to get themselves an unwanted reputation as
       whingers if they carry on like this. If they think it will
       influence officials in their direction I think they are very
       wrong. If I was a ref being criticised by them I think I might
       be inclined to carry on as normal. For them to claim bias after
       an 18-8 penalty count is bazar.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Such a reputation may well be unwanted, but would still be
       highly deserved.
       #Post#: 78775--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: Boonie
       Date: November 24, 2021, 10:43 am
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       Meanwhile, back with England - Tuilagi confirmed out for "at
       least" six weeks with a hamstring tear.
       #Post#: 78843--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v SA
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: November 26, 2021, 4:42 am
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       Rassie Erasmus apologises to Lions referee Berry and withdraws
       ban appeal
  HTML https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/25/rugby-union-rassie-erasmus-south-africa-rugby-apologise-nic-berry-british-irish-lions-first-test
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