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Re: Turning points
DIR By: llgn
Date: November 5, 2021, 10:55 am
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--- Quote from: Quintessentially Quins link ---
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> I have to politely disagree with this, obviously this is just
my opinion and everyone else is entitled to their own but for me
the game started slipping away when Danny went for the drop
goal. That is the moment that Sarries really knew they had got
us under pressure because we changed our winning formula (same
as with the Sale game) and I would also say it is exactly the
same as the way Quins felt (certainly I did) when Exeter took
their shot at goal in the final, that was the moment we knew
they where panicking.
>
> In my opinion Danny should have done almost anything else with
a penalty advantage, boot it sky high into the try area and see
what happens we had absolutely nothing to lose and everything to
gain.
>
> At the same time I am very proud of our team, they have a
never say die attitude and still showed commitment to try and
get that draw at the end when they must have felt very
demoralised after what they know was a missed opportunity. I
would be very surprised if we see any drop goals or penalty
kicks at goal unless it is the last second and in front of the
posts to win the game.
>
> But that is just my two cents :)
>
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A very fair observation - and I missed that we had a penalty
advantage at the Drop Goal, which I agree was a big mistake. But
I don't think our team should think "we've failed if we take 3
instead of 7", especially after short phase play - let the oppo
think what they like - we'll come back and take the 7 next time!
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Re: Turning points
DIR By: J Scott
Date: November 5, 2021, 11:24 am
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The issue with taking three points or going for the corner is
whether you score.
Go for corner execute well then it’s 5 or 7 don’t execute well
it was wrong choice.
Opt for 3 score it right choice, win game no more said. Lose
game should have gone for corner.
Damned if you do damned if you don’t.
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Re: Turning points
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 6, 2021, 2:58 am
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--- Quote from: J Scott link ---
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> The issue with taking three points or going for the corner is
whether you score.
>
> Go for corner execute well then it’s 5 or 7 don’t execute well
it was wrong choice.
>
> Opt for 3 score it right choice, win game no more said. Lose
game should have gone for corner.
>
> Damned if you do damned if you don’t.
>
--- End Quote ---
The Robshaw Scenario
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Re: Turning points
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: November 7, 2021, 3:02 am
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We didn’t lose the game because of not going for the corner; we
lost it because let them score too many points. Missing one kick
and then conceding a penalty a few moments later didn’t help.
Defence is not optional.
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Re: Turning points
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: November 7, 2021, 3:07 am
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--- Quote from: J Scott link ---
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> The issue with taking three points or going for the corner is
whether you score.
>
> Go for corner execute well then it’s 5 or 7 don’t execute well
it was wrong choice.
>
> Opt for 3 score it right choice, win game no more said. Lose
game should have gone for corner.
>
> Damned if you do damned if you don’t.
>
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True, but the thing that puzzled me is why we seemed to change
what has been a (successful) tactic in recent times. I get the
argument about being adaptable, but if I were Sarries, that DG
would have had me smelling blood.
The way we play, its live by the sword, die by the sword. I can
accept that, I think most people do. Last week it seemed to me
we decided to put the sword away!!!
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Re: Turning points
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: November 7, 2021, 7:09 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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> We didn’t lose the game because of not going for the corner;
we lost it because let them score too many points. Missing one
kick and then conceding a penalty a few moments later didn’t
help. Defence is not optional.
>
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I don't think Quins played like defence was optional. We had the
same % of missed tackles as Saracens, and conceded fewer tries.
Discipline sure, but then we conceded one more penalty than
them.
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Re: Turning points
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: November 7, 2021, 6:50 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> I don't think Quins played like defence was optional. We had
the same % of missed tackles as Saracens, and conceded fewer
tries. Discipline sure, but then we conceded one more penalty
than them.
>
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The defence for the try that won the game was pretty wobbly -
they scored too easily.
Understand about the % tackled, but that doesn't tell the whole
story - depends where you miss them. It was better today in the
second half, but Wasps are somewhat depleted...
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