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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: MadMax
Date: October 2, 2021, 6:27 am
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--- Quote from: TeddingtonQuin link ---
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> Club statement
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HTML https://www.saracens.com/club-statement-consortium-of-investors-acquire-controlling-stake-in-saracens/
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> Will it be a watershed in terms of admission of wrongdoing I
wonder? I won't hold my breath!
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According to the Cheats board the proposed new owners are long
time investors in the Cheats and long time friends of Wray so it
seems this is Cheats being taken over by cheats.
Business as usual.
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: October 2, 2021, 6:33 am
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I am thrilled to hand over control to the consortium which
comprises people who I know well and who understand the culture
we’ve been able to create over more than 20 years both on and
off the field
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: Monte
Date: October 2, 2021, 7:17 am
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Danny on Radio 4 lunchtime news saying ‘Sarries new owners start
with a clean slate. This draws a line in the sand but that there
will always be an asterisk against previous owner.’
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: October 2, 2021, 7:53 am
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--- Quote from: Chris1850 link ---
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> Silvester and Leslau invested in Itojes image rights with
Wray. As long as Wray continues to have any financial influence
at Sarries, they leave themselves open to continued suspicion
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The issue wasn't about who paid for a share of Itoje's image
rights, it was the valuation of those rights in the audit.
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: Bucksquin
Date: October 2, 2021, 8:21 am
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"On the Wray out" ... apart from Nige's family and cronies who
are still involved?
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: October 2, 2021, 1:03 pm
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A new team with exactly the same players but not necessarily in
the same positions.
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: Quinspur
Date: October 4, 2021, 10:14 am
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Sir Ian McGeechan has penned a hagiography to Wray in the
Telegraph today. It is not written tongue in cheek either.
Joe Marler has added his thoughts about it on his Twitter
account. “Crawl out mate”. Well said Joe!!
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: poorfour
Date: October 4, 2021, 11:14 am
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There are two lenses here. As a guy who has unstintingly backed
Saracens and probably saved them from folding multiple times
over, and as a lifelong supporter of rugby, Nigel Wray deserves
a lot of respect.
But there are a dozen or so other well-heeled businessmen who
have also invested heavily in keeping their favourite rugby club
afloat and competitive. These people spend millions every year
to service clubs’ debts - which in most cases keep growing year
on year - in the hope that one day the sport will become
sustainable.
As someone who was prepared to systematically undermine the
terms that they had all agreed between them to keep rugby
sustainable, not once, but twice and with the full extent of his
distortion of the cap never being made apparent, Wray deserves
condemnation.
Rugby would be poorer without his largesse, but it is also
poorer because of his cheating. I suspect he’s largely moving
aside now because of the optics for Saracens - having a
different ownership and his own role significantly reduced may
well be the result of pressure from sponsors and other financial
backers as the price of continued involvement.
Although his exit isn’t complete, it probably does mark the
point at which we should put it behind us, unless further
evidence of wrongdoing emerges. Which I hope will not be the
case, but they do have form.
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: TeddingtonQuin
Date: October 4, 2021, 12:07 pm
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> There are two lenses here. As a guy who has unstintingly
backed Saracens and probably saved them from folding multiple
times over, and as a lifelong supporter of rugby, Nigel Wray
deserves a lot of respect.
>
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Absolutely no he doesn't, because of this:
--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> As someone who was prepared to systematically undermine the
terms that they had all agreed between them to keep rugby
sustainable, not once, but twice and with the full extent of his
distortion of the cap never being made apparent, Wray deserves
condemnation.
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No apology, no contrition means no trust or respect can be given
--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> Rugby would be poorer without his largesse
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I don't think so, rugby is better off without cheats and those
that try to turn it into football
--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> Although his exit isn’t complete, it probably does mark the
point at which we should put it behind us, unless further
evidence of wrongdoing emerges. Which I hope will not be the
case, but they do have form.
>
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And again, it's a big no from me, see above regarding apology
and contrition.
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Re: On the Wray out?
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: October 4, 2021, 2:24 pm
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Everyone except the most swivel-eyed Sarries fan knows they did
wrong: they been punished - perhaps not far enough for some -
but do we have to keep going on and on and on about it?
Some on here couldn't bear some of the opprobrium we received 10
or so years ago - can't we agree to just get over these issues
and move on?
Perhaps DOK/Admin can make a separate forum with space for
Sarries-Wray-Salary Cap stories...
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