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#Post#: 68258--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: Quintron
Date: June 7, 2021, 2:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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> 1 wood not assyume Cynka iz anyfink ovva van furst kayce
>
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Is that Battersea dialogue? 😉
#Post#: 68260--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: Bayernquin
Date: June 7, 2021, 3:14 pm
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Naah me old China its afreefukkinkaans innit😱(DOK please
delete if profanity is inappropriate, thanks)
#Post#: 68261--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: June 7, 2021, 3:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> My point was that there have already been some/several/a
number of (delete as applicable) unforeseen selections for this
tour which make it hard(er) to know what the starting XV is
likely to be.
>
> But if you think anyone can already get 12-13 right, feel free
to have a go.
>
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I'll have a go.
Mako (this one is tricky)
LCD
Furlong
AWJ
Itoje
Beirne
Curry
Faletau
Murray
Adams (w)
Biggar
Farrell
Henshaw
Watson (w)
Hogg
But rather the point is that Gatland largely selects his Test
team before they even leave, then he plays "mostly first choice"
and "mostly backup" on tour. A lot of decisions will already
have been made, and when you see the 'big' tour games he'll
select something that's basically his Test side even if it's the
first game those guys will play together. It's not about being
clairvoyant or that Gatland is predictable - it's that he's made
a lot of decisions already and that that will influence his
selections in the early games, rather than trying to give
everyone a fair shake at a Test place.
Does that make sense? I'm not claiming I know what Gatland is
thinking here, I know my guess at his Test team at this stage is
likely wrong. But I'll be hugely surprised if it's not really
obvious who he thinks is his Test side early on.
#Post#: 68266--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: Yareet
Date: June 7, 2021, 5:28 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> I'll have a go.
>
> Mako (this one is tricky)
> LCD
> Furlong
> AWJ
> Itoje
> Beirne
> Curry
> Faletau
> Murray
> Adams (w)
> Biggar
> Farrell
> Henshaw
> Watson (w)
> Hogg
>
> But rather the point is that Gatland largely selects his Test
team before they even leave, then he plays "mostly first choice"
and "mostly backup" on tour. A lot of decisions will already
have been made, and when you see the 'big' tour games he'll
select something that's basically his Test side even if it's the
first game those guys will play together. It's not about being
clairvoyant or that Gatland is predictable - it's that he's made
a lot of decisions already and that that will influence his
selections in the early games, rather than trying to give
everyone a fair shake at a Test place.
>
> Does that make sense? I'm not claiming I know what Gatland is
thinking here, I know my guess at his Test team at this stage is
likely wrong. But I'll be hugely surprised if it's not really
obvious who he thinks is his Test side early on.
>
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With respect, your last sentence is subtly different to “The
problem is you can pretty much guess about 12-13 of his Test
side before they even play a game.”
For the record, I’d hope you’re right that he has an idea based
on current form as to who he’d pick if the first test were this
weekend. That’s not to agree however that this is the XV that he
is aiming to have run out on July 24th. As we’ve seen from
Porter and the SA players at Munster, a lot can change between
now and then.
I’d expect Gatland to at least see who arrives in SA fit and
healthy.
#Post#: 68268--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: June 7, 2021, 7:55 pm
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Yeah you're right, I got muddled up there.
1) I think Gatland has pretty much nailed on his Test XV - with
the exception of a couple of positions - already.
2) I think it'll be very clear within the first couple of tour
matches what his 1st XV will look like.
Gatland doesn't do the traditional Lions thing of letting tour
form dictate selection in the majority of cases. He has a first
team and the dirt trackers set out from the start. He has form
for picking players for the tests who have not been good in the
tour (or even barely featured!) and we're a long way from the
days when a touring party was given a fair shake at test
selection.
Woodward was pilloried for the same approach, of course.
#Post#: 68270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: Yareet
Date: June 8, 2021, 1:08 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> Yeah you're right,
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This is an internet forum, for crying out loud! You’re not
supposed to say things like that 🤣🤣
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>
>
> I got muddled up there.
>
> 1) I think Gatland has pretty much nailed on his Test XV -
with the exception of a couple of positions - already.
>
> 2) I think it'll be very clear within the first couple of tour
matches what his 1st XV will look like.
>
> Gatland doesn't do the traditional Lions thing of letting tour
form dictate selection in the majority of cases. He has a first
team and the dirt trackers set out from the start. He has form
for picking players for the tests who have not been good in the
tour (or even barely featured!) and we're a long way from the
days when a touring party was given a fair shake at test
selection.
>
> Woodward was pilloried for the same approach, of course.
>
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Largely I fear that this is perhaps a symptom of how the tours
are now structured. Shorter time in country and no time together
pre-tour.
#Post#: 68282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: June 8, 2021, 3:51 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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> 1 wood not assyume Cynka iz anyfink ovva van furst kayce
>
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Have I told you my Red Nose Clown joke yet? Innit. Ok. Fair Cop.
SinCkler.
#Post#: 68293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sinker called up to the Lions.
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: June 8, 2021, 4:34 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> Have I told you my Red Nose Clown joke yet? Innit. Ok. Fair
Cop. SinCkler.
>
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No, it's definitely Sinker...
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