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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: Nemoquin
Date: September 5, 2018, 4:34 pm
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CVC are typical private equity sharks. They made a lot of money
for themselves from F1. This was by buying an existing money
making operation, but not one which was fair. Their idea of
generating growth was jacking up prices. They had no long term
strategy for the business .
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: September 5, 2018, 4:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Monte link ---
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> So back to our friends Stuart Barnes and Dewi Morris for
Premiership rugby is what people want _ joy oh joy
>
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Forgive me if I'm being stupid but why would that be the case?
And does it really matter, in the grand scheme of things, who
commentates on the game? Especially if it keeps the game afloat?
I really don't think these decisions are being taken lightly -
but maybe I'm naive.
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: raedarius
Date: September 5, 2018, 5:36 pm
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In the greater scheme of things, does it matter if something
good is replaced with something bad? Strange perspective.
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: GP2110
Date: September 5, 2018, 5:57 pm
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Why is it bad? There is simply no basis to say that whatsoever.
A suggestion that rugby will go back to sky, for example, is
pure speculation based on nothing tangible.
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: GP2110
Date: September 5, 2018, 5:58 pm
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The reality is that almost every club in the league is making
losses every year. At this rate, the entire sport will go
bankrupt. Is that good?
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: Aha!
Date: September 5, 2018, 6:22 pm
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Just goes to highlight the incompetence and lack of willingness
of Buffy the Blazer at commercialising and widening rugby's
appeal to newer bigger audiences. We've all moaned for years
about myopic vested interests - I bet the new owners would love
to see a vibrant English game expanded domestically and exported
globally. Pro14 are already getting TV deals in China that PL
wouldn't even conceive of.
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: September 5, 2018, 6:25 pm
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--- Quote from: raedarius link ---
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> In the greater scheme of things, does it matter if something
good is replaced with something bad? Strange perspective.
>
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That's exactly what the "grand scheme of things" disclaimer is.
Do I love Barnes and Morris' commentary? No - although Harrison
and Greenwood are good value, so it really ain't all bad. Do I
want to see the Premiership go down the pan? Even more no. So
which one would I choose? Sky coverage, obviously. That way I
can still watch the game and, quite frankly, I'll make my own
mind up about what's going on without needing the commentary
team anyway.
Regardless, like I said and as GP2110 reiterates, where is the
evidence that CVC buying 51% of the Premiership = Sky coverage?
Oh yeah, someone on here who has already decided "CVC funding
injection = bad" randomly came up with that assertion to justify
their negative feelings about the whole thing, which I'm still
yet to get to the bottom of (and would still like to
understand). And I hate to be a stickler for detail but BT Sport
have an exclusive rights contract in place - one that they
outbid Sky for - so who says Sky even want it for that price
anyway?
So yeah, I'll take saving the Premiership over any of this
nonsense about Barnes and Morris and rugby players being
replaced by F1 cars...
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: Quicker Quin
Date: September 6, 2018, 1:03 am
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> Yeah, if this happens I'm out and will probably head off to
watch the lower leagues.
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Why?
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: guest257
Date: September 6, 2018, 1:09 am
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Tricky one this....
What’s clear is that the business side of the game in England is
poor and that a lot more needs to be done at individual clubs to
maximise profit generating growth outside of and alongside the
core rugby activities.
Quins probably have more opportunities to do this than many
clubs because of their location and brand. But London is
competitive. The new stadium development is essential for this
but it will need brave, commercial and ambition vision of the
sort we’ve not seen to date.
The global game also has a long way to go. I get worried about
what the proportion of empty seat at the Rugby Championship and
Super 15 games say about the state of the game and its appeal.
If you can’t fill the ground for the Wallabies vs All Blacks in
Sydney things aren’t in a good way...
So...new ideas and investment are essential! I’m not sure these
guys are right for it - it’s just a hunch - but if not them then
who? There is no one at the clubs or the rfu who have shown
anything bold or brave to shake things up in recent years so I
just can’t see it happening with the status quo.
Interesting times.
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Re: Premiership Rugby to go private?
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: September 6, 2018, 2:28 am
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--- Quote from: Monte link ---
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> The problem is that since Mark Evans invented Big Game there
has been no other changes in the last 10 years and now everyone
is really struggling for sponsorship/partnership. I cannot see
any vision from anyone. Whoever pushed through the increase in
salary cap last time sounded in my opinion the death knell for
premiership rugby clubs surviving in their present financial
format. Owners all want money back and this would help them,
but I disagree that it is good news and I personally gave up on
formula 1 when CVC got involved as it ceased to be a real sport.
It just confirms that Premiership does not have clubs anymore
just business trying to break even at worst or make a profit at
best. So forget membership, debentures just a Season ticket or
not. How it will fit in with England and the rfu I have no idea
but for my money these guys are only interested in one thing
themselves and maximising their profit. Quins have tried to wrap
it up in Community and Foundation but this is is Very very sad.
>
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Just one point, the Premiership stopped having clubs and had
businesses the moment the sport went professional. It may be a
total and utter potentially unsurvivable mess but that's
professional sport if you want a mass audience.
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