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#Post#: 65880--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: May 12, 2021, 5:28 am
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--- Quote from: flapjack link ---
>
> Agree there is nothing to lose in trying but not sure what
they would revaluate out of the following:
>
> Head contact: No doubt
> Injured: Strange he wasn't taken off for a HIA but he was
subbed 5 mins later so unless he provides a statement saying he
isn't injured I don't see this changing.
> Vulnerability of player: Was on his back, yeah a bit of
holding but couldn't do much about Mike's foot in his face.
> Reckless: Probably the best chance but still a hell of a
argument to show it was 100% accidental and external factors
forced him off balance.
>
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Reckless and intentional are separate categories. They've
already accepted it was unintentional and confirmed
recklessness. The only avenue for appeal is the starting point
of top end sanction when they accept it wasn't intentional. I
find it hard to believe that Mike and the club don't have
seriously legitimate grounds for appeal there.
If a player 100% deliberately slams his foot into an opponent's
face in order to do damage, that would be a top end entry point
also... You just can't equate that scenario with what actually
happened, when it's accepted it wasn't deliberate.
I don't see how an appeal wouldn't be successful on that basis?!
But of course, this isn't law, this is the kangaroo court of
rugby citings.
#Post#: 65882--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: May 12, 2021, 5:31 am
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HTML https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/12/mike-brown-harlequins-career-over-after-six-week-ban-for-stamping-rugby-union
#Post#: 65883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: Pickled Pelicon
Date: May 12, 2021, 5:33 am
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TT was not entirely blameless for the incident, he was pulling
at MB's legs in an attempt to de-stablise him.
Don't condone any intended harm to another player though!
And not saying it was intended either!! :)
#Post#: 65885--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: Mr_B
Date: May 12, 2021, 5:35 am
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to put it in other words, an accepted accidental placement of
the foot to a head gets the same sanction starting point as
deliberate stamp to a head, it doesn't make sense.
#Post#: 65887--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: May 12, 2021, 5:37 am
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I still think TT headbutted Mikes foot.
#Post#: 65889--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: May 12, 2021, 5:39 am
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--- Quote from: Mr_B link ---
>
> to put it in other words, an accepted accidental placement of
the foot to a head gets the same sanction starting point as
deliberate stamp to a head, it doesn't make sense.
>
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No it doesn't. Top end is 52 weeks.
#Post#: 65892--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: Mr_B
Date: May 12, 2021, 6:01 am
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ok will re-word that, Andre got a similar ban for his first
deliberate elbow to the head, deemed deliberate foul play. MB
found not deliberate good conduct etc and they ignore then the
minimum mid range entry point and go for the high end, he's
being treated the same as if it were deliberate.
#Post#: 65895--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: May 12, 2021, 6:18 am
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Seems very harsh to start at high end. Gutted for Mike
#Post#: 65897--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: May 12, 2021, 6:20 am
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--- Quote from: Mr_B link ---
>
> ok will re-word that, Andre got a similar ban for his first
deliberate elbow to the head, deemed deliberate foul play. MB
found not deliberate good conduct etc and they ignore then the
minimum mid range entry point and go for the high end, he's
being treated the same as if it were deliberate.
>
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Deemed reckless, not deliberate.
But, I think we need to see Mike's judgement to see why they
chose top-end. Although I doubt it will make any difference for
some. :)
#Post#: 65898--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red card result?
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: May 12, 2021, 6:27 am
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Regardless of the hearing and any potential appeal, or even our
likelihood of playoffs/silverware this year... I'm just
absolutely gutted for Mike that he doesn't get to run out in
front of fans at least one last time, truly gutted. Of any
player that's ever worn the quarters, he deserves that the most.
Gutted.
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