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#Post#: 66597--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: May 21, 2021, 3:28 am
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--- Quote from: Neil Quinnock link ---
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> I guess they waited to decide whether or not to appeal until
after last weekend's results ? There would have been no point in
risking an appeal if Quins were doubtful for the playoffs, but
with an 11-point gap and 3 games to go, it's worth trying if he
can be available for a couple of games.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeah, I wondered about that. In any case I think it's highly
unlikely they'll increase the sanction.
#Post#: 66602--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: May 21, 2021, 4:14 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
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> Yeah, I wondered about that. In any case I think it's highly
unlikely they'll increase the sanction.
>
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Yeah, I wondered about that. In any case I think it's highly
unlikely they'll decrease the sanction.
#Post#: 66609--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: May 21, 2021, 5:03 am
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I can see this being "Yes we agree the entry point should have
been midrange, however, we feel the ban length was appropriate.
So we got one bit wrong, sorry, but the other bit right".
Let's hope that a reduction may happen and we get to the final
and both he and Ester can influence it.
#Post#: 66610--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: poorfour
Date: May 21, 2021, 5:29 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> I can see this being "Yes we agree the entry point should have
been midrange, however, we feel the ban length was appropriate.
So we got one bit wrong, sorry, but the other bit right".
>
> Let's hope that a reduction may happen and we get to the final
and both he and Ester can influence it.
>
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That's not how the process works, though - the mitigation factor
is a checklist, as is the entry point. Brown's argument will be
along the lines that the entry point being high didn't reflect
the accidental nature of the contact (which the committee
admitted) or the limited nature of the injury (a cut that would
have been unremarkable had it happened in almost any other way).
They'll either accept it or not, I imagine. I'd be very
surprised if they go "ah yes, but appealing isn't very contrite
or remorseful, so nah"
#Post#: 66613--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: May 21, 2021, 6:03 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
>
> That's not how the process works, though - the mitigation
factor is a checklist, as is the entry point. Brown's argument
will be along the lines that the entry point being high didn't
reflect the accidental nature of the contact (which the
committee admitted) or the limited nature of the injury (a cut
that would have been unremarkable had it happened in almost any
other way). They'll either accept it or not, I imagine. I'd be
very surprised if they go "ah yes, but appealing isn't very
contrite or remorseful, so nah"
>
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I agree about the process but 'accidental' downplays it a bit.
They agreed it was reckless, but not deliberate.
Accidental makes it sound like Mike put his foot down just
before Taylor put his head there.
#Post#: 66623--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: noah_jo
Date: May 21, 2021, 7:05 am
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The actual write up of their report basically blames it all on
him being off balance rather than reckless so ig there's room
for negotiation there
#Post#: 66641--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: poorfour
Date: May 21, 2021, 9:17 am
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--- Quote from: noah_jo link ---
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> The actual write up of their report basically blames it all on
him being off balance rather than reckless so ig there's room
for negotiation there
>
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Quite. The panel accepted that he was off balance, and that the
reason he was off balance was that Taylor had been pulling on
his leg until immediately before he tried to stand up... and
then concluded that it was reckless to put his foot down.
I don't know if any of the panel have ever stood on one leg and
tried to put their feet down while off balance, but it appears
they haven't. Your foot instinctively goes to the place where it
will balance your weight, and where that is a function of where
your other foot is and what the forces acting to unbalance you
are.
The panel basically set an expectation that Brown should have
been able to break the Laws of Physics before the Laws of Rugby.
They also accepted that Taylor contributed to Brown's loss of
balance but didn't take that into account in setting the entry
point.
#Post#: 66645--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: Teddington Taff
Date: May 21, 2021, 9:29 am
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They also said it was an inadvertent stamp. Then they say the
injuries were not consistent with a deliberate stamp. As he
tumbled backwards to avoid pressing down (when he realised where
his foot was) - surely - it couldn't be regarded as a stamp.
And if it was accepted that it was not deliberate - again surely
- that makes it accidental? Sounds like confusion and
contradiction to make the point that any contact with the face
constitutes a penaly of some sort. Then it comes back to
severity and punishment appropriate to the crime!
#Post#: 66651--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: noah_jo
Date: May 21, 2021, 9:45 am
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I reckon they take the 2 weeks off for lack of injury and the
recklessness and he's back for the Newcastle game
#Post#: 66653--------------------------------------------------
Re: brown
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: May 21, 2021, 9:53 am
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I don't think they'll change their mind if they said an injury
was caused first time round.
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