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Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: Teddington Taff
Date: April 26, 2021, 2:54 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> Carley was just following the guidance. It was straight
contact to the head, and he didn’t consider there to be any
mitigation.
>
> At the disciplinary panel, I imagine the lack of force, the
amount of provocation and the fact that he was already gripping
the shirt and arguably just trying to push Rona away will be set
against the deliberate nature of the contact and his previous
history.
>
> It’s hard to call what ban he’ll cop, but my best guess is
that it’s low end with some mitigation. He might get away with 3
weeks... though whether they will fiddle it with a euro round
coming up that Quins aren’t in I don’t know.
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That's a pretty fair summation. Can you represent him at the
hearing please.
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Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: poorfour
Date: April 26, 2021, 3:12 am
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--- Quote from: Teddington Taff link ---
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> That's a pretty fair summation. Can you represent him at the
hearing please.
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Sadly, I fear my love of biscuits might undermine his case...
#Post#: 64652--------------------------------------------------
Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: Lawyerquin
Date: April 26, 2021, 4:32 am
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Well the on-line edition of the Times today says he received a
'soft red when his forearm brushed Rona's chin' and he 'was hard
done by to be sent off'. So hopefully the Panel will acknowledge
the lack of force.
#Post#: 64655--------------------------------------------------
Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: April 26, 2021, 4:43 am
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Looking beyond that, if we can have him back for the Enya game
then we should (although there are no gimmies) be able to cope
till then.
#Post#: 64658--------------------------------------------------
Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: April 26, 2021, 4:55 am
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--- Quote from: Lawyerquin link ---
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> Well the on-line edition of the Times today says he received a
'soft red when his forearm brushed Rona's chin' and he 'was hard
done by to be sent off'. So hopefully the Panel will acknowledge
the lack of force.
>
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I also don't think there was much force, but saying it "brushed
Rona's chin" is just not true. He shoves it directly into Rona's
jaw and knocks his head back. 2:10 on the video here:
HTML https://www.premiershiprugby.com/watch/highlights-london-irish-v-harlequins-round-17
I don't think he can argue it's not a red card offence. Like
poorfour I think the best we can hope for is low-end. The
previous red card will hurt his case.
#Post#: 64660--------------------------------------------------
Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: Monte
Date: April 26, 2021, 4:57 am
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--- Quote from: Lawyerquin link ---
>
> Well the on-line edition of the Times today says he received a
'soft red when his forearm brushed Rona's chin' and he 'was hard
done by to be sent off'. So hopefully the Panel will acknowledge
the lack of force.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well Nigel Botherway in the Times on Sunday called it an smash’!
#Post#: 64666--------------------------------------------------
Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: Fursty
Date: April 26, 2021, 5:31 am
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So when looking at whether a high shot/tackle to the head -
'level of danger' is certainly one of the mitigating factors
that can then bring it back down to a yellow. Does the same not
apply in this situation?
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Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: April 26, 2021, 5:33 am
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--- Quote from: Fursty link ---
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> So when looking at whether a high shot/tackle to the head -
'level of danger' is certainly one of the mitigating factors
that can then bring it back down to a yellow. Does the same not
apply in this situation?
>
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No, because it's not an attempt to make a legal action (i.e. a
tackle) and is a deliberate act of violence. That's not to say
the citing commission won't look at the relative lack of force
as a potential mitigating factor when determining the ban.
Again I go back to the Botta decision for this comparison: A
high tackle that doesn't connect isn't even a penalty. An
attempted punch that doesn't connect is a yellow card.
#Post#: 64677--------------------------------------------------
Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: The Quin Meister
Date: April 26, 2021, 7:53 am
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A really harsh red in my view. And as has been mentioned, they
failed to deal with the culprits who started the incident.
#Post#: 64682--------------------------------------------------
Re: André Esterhuizen
DIR By: MadMax
Date: April 26, 2021, 8:01 am
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--- Quote from: quinalan link ---
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> Origami paper puff gets red card shocker.
>
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Alternately ... stupid rugby player gets red card shocker.
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