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#Post#: 56867--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: Dibden
Date: January 15, 2021, 1:24 pm
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Given the frequency Ashton changes clubs it’s clear he is
Trouble let alone way past his prime.Dhouod never have been
signed
#Post#: 56873--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 15, 2021, 5:42 pm
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Is that fair?
He wasn't trouble at Saints (he left because he wanted to -
Saints were happy to keep him) for six seasons. Nor at Saracens
for 6 seasons. Nor at Toulon for a season, a club with high
turnover of players. He had a run in with the gum-chewer at Sale
in his second season, which is the first time anyone actually
seemed to get grumpy with him.
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Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: West Stand Quin
Date: January 15, 2021, 5:47 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> Is that fair?
>
> He wasn't trouble at Saints (he left because he wanted to -
Saints were happy to keep him) for six seasons. Nor at Saracens
for 6 seasons. Nor at Toulon for a season, a club with high
turnover of players. He had a run in with the gum-chewer at Sale
in his second season, which is the first time anyone actually
seemed to get grumpy with him.
>
--- End Quote ---
Completely agree, was just about to post the same thing. He only
left Toulon because he wanted to be back in England for family
and Eddie Jones wanted him in the England squad. He by all
accounts is very popular with his team mates from the anecdotes
you hear from players, Dylan Hartley, Jim Hamilton & Danny Care
to name three
#Post#: 56877--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: OptimisticRealist
Date: January 16, 2021, 2:54 am
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I agree with the positive sentiment about Ashton as a player. He
is a winner, and all that comes with it. These characters often
get branded by those who weren't winners as arrogant sadly only
to make themselves feel better.
Sadly it feels like we have been intimidated by him or taken a
similar negative approach. And in my eyes if you are intimidated
by a winner without looking to learn and raise your game to
operate at their level/expected level - then maybe you are
thinking small when you should be thinking big. Have the wrong
mentality etc etc....
I hope I'm wrong.
#Post#: 56878--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: Bucksquin
Date: January 16, 2021, 3:43 am
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The problem with your reasoning, Optimistic, is that while it is
true in rugby/life in a general sense, it has not proven to be
the case in relation to Ashton at Quins, and specifically,
"learn and raise your game to operate at their level/expected
level." Ashton's personal level of performance in that last
appearance, immediately before he was openly critical of Quins
management/coaches, was abysmal. He was one of the main problems
that day, one of the main causes (amongst others) of the result.
It was pots calling kettles black, which is just not right. If
you have something to say, first say it on the pitch through
your own example and performance (like Dombrandt, Smith, baby
Chis, Steele, etc.), and then say it privately and
constructively so that you are part of the solution, especially
when you are a senior player. Not solely in the media.
#Post#: 56880--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: January 16, 2021, 4:00 am
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I agree, going slightly off topic, but it is why I never really
pay much attention to interviews after/before games. You never
really hear that much that is earth shattering, just the usual
cliches. TBH that is the way I would expect. Do all the
talking behind the scenes, in the changing room. That is the
place to air the dirty laundry etc, not on some podcast etc.
Its why I never get too stressed about what PG has to say, if I
were a DoR I would probably trott out the same lines each week
#Post#: 56881--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: OptimisticRealist
Date: January 16, 2021, 4:02 am
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Can't disagree with you on his performances. Sadly his errors
tend to be in defence when he is the last man and he creeps
inside leaving a man open. Always been the same but he has
managed to play for all the aforementioned teams and his
attacking flair has outweighed this, whilst being drilled to do
what he is meant to do in defence (which we don't seem to have
managed).
We would have known all of this when we signed him which we
chose to do without a gun to our head.
Sadly, it's not a good news story whichever perspective you take
and I wonder how other clubs might have used signing him to
their advantage OR known it wasn't worth it and not done it is
the first place.
#Post#: 56882--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: January 16, 2021, 4:18 am
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--- Quote from: OptimisticRealist link ---
>
> Can't disagree with you on his performances. Sadly his errors
tend to be in defence when he is the last man and he creeps
inside leaving a man open. Always been the same but he has
managed to play for all the aforementioned teams and his
attacking flair has outweighed this, whilst being drilled to do
what he is meant to do in defence (which we don't seem to have
managed).
>
> We would have known all of this when we signed him which we
chose to do without a gun to our head.
>
> Sadly, it's not a good news story whichever perspective you
take and I wonder how other clubs might have used signing him to
their advantage OR known it wasn't worth it and not done it is
the first place.
>
--- End Quote ---
It wasnt the weaknesses in his game that made the performance
bad, it was the total lack of effort and heart. Special mention
goes to the moment he bottled out of contact with the oppo
player.
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Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: MadMax
Date: January 16, 2021, 5:20 am
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I'm just disappointed that a player signed in line with
Gustard's much talked about younger player policy is seemingly
leaving :)
#Post#: 56887--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chris Ashton
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: January 16, 2021, 5:44 am
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--- Quote from: MadMax link ---
>
> I'm just disappointed that a player signed in line with
Gustard's much talked about younger player policy is seemingly
leaving :)
>
--- End Quote ---
I think he was an exception, in the fact that Gabs left and we
found ourselves short. He needed a club so short term deal
suited
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