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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: October 19, 2020, 3:50 am
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It's funny T-bone, I was thinking that when Russell's plays
didn't come off, he's not a Lions 10 for me. But we've said that
about players before and the coaches still goes with them.
A more maverick 10, however, might be better against the Boks as
they showed in the RWC final that a structured game plan can be
easily nullified.
That said, you can't throw intercepts at that level. Looking
forward to the Lions debates in the new year.
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: Guildford Quin
Date: October 19, 2020, 5:08 am
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> I can't say I really remember people on here saying that
Maunder wasn't good enough, but then I don't really remember him
being talked of as a possibility.
>
> SHC did pretty well in the few games he played for us. A few
decent performances, and I think a couple of average / poor
ones. I'd happily have kept him on but I don't think it was ever
on the cards. I'm pleased to see he seems settled and is doing
well for them. We've done pretty well with Steele I reckon -
just Llandajo who's a bit disappointing.
>
> Anyway, good to see two English teams doing well in Europe.
Bristol I'd say are less of feel good story. They've largely
just thrown money at it. I know they've found some gems along
the way, but they've also to a certain extent bought in a team.
Their social media guy annoys me too, as does the fawning over
them by the likes of Flatman & Co. Having said that, they play
some really attractive rugby - I'd love to see us put in
performances like that on a regular basis.
>
> It'll be interesting to see what that performance does for
Russell's Lions chances. I'm sure he'll go, and I think Sexton
should and will miss out. Russell, Farrell and Biggar seems
likely. With players like Russell and Cipriani, when it comes
off it looks great and it seems they can single-handedly win a
game. On the other hand, when it goes wrong, they can more or
less lose a game on their own too. That's why I like players
like Ford, Smith and Simmonds - they have the ability to create
something special but don't tend to regularly go for the really
high risk plays. They're a happy medium between the likes of
Russell/Cirpiani and Farrell/Biggar.
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Pretty much agree with all of this. I think Joe Simmonds should
be a serious contender to start at fly half for England this
Autumn after his performances in the last few weeks. A 10-12-13
of Simmonds/Farrell/Slade would be exciting. Sam Simmonds must
also be in the mix for a back-row start, but where you fit him
in I'm not sure. A Willis/Underhill/Simmonds back row would be
pretty destructive with Dombrandt on the bench ? I'm not
convinced Vunipola or Curry (either) make the starting team on
current form.
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: Yareet
Date: October 19, 2020, 7:11 am
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--- Quote from: Neil Quinnock link ---
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> Pretty much agree with all of this. I think Joe Simmonds
should be a serious contender to start at fly half for England
this Autumn after his performances in the last few weeks. A
10-12-13 of Simmonds/Farrell/Slade would be exciting. Sam
Simmonds must also be in the mix for a back-row start, but where
you fit him in I'm not sure. A Willis/Underhill/Simmonds back
row would be pretty destructive with Dombrandt on the bench ?
I'm not convinced Vunipola or Curry (either) make the starting
team on current form.
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Curry would start on form for me. But not that Curry.
Unfortunately Ben's injured
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: raedarius
Date: October 19, 2020, 7:27 am
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Instead of which one?
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: October 19, 2020, 8:14 am
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> So which EPCR rule did they break?
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Qualification rules.
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: October 19, 2020, 8:15 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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> Out of interest, how would you see the
Premiership/clubs/players overcome this scenario?
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Now? I'm really not sure. Ringfencing makes sense. An upper cap
on wages per player to go with the salary cap. But COVID could
genuinely turn the whole thing inside out; these are not healthy
businesses.
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: Yareet
Date: October 19, 2020, 9:11 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> Qualification rules.
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Not really given that qualification is based on league
positions.
It’s not EPCR’s place to overrule leagues’ disciplinary
decisions.
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: October 19, 2020, 9:43 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> Now? I'm really not sure. Ringfencing makes sense. An upper
cap on wages per player to go with the salary cap. But COVID
could genuinely turn the whole thing inside out; these are not
healthy businesses.
>
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As a comparison, this is a bit cats and dogs, but in terms of
average match attendances, the Premiership rugby has a similar
number to an amalgam of Championship and League 1 football ~
18,500-5,000 (rounding up). Of course, football leagues are
larger and play many more games in the upper/mid level leagues,
to which we compare on attendances.
* The average (Football) Championship wage is a staggering
£29,000/week or £1.5m/year (highest is £68,000/week or
£35m/year.
* The average wage for a League 1 player equates to about
£4,750/week or ~ £250,000/year - without bonuses,
* For League 2, the average wages are £2,200/week or
£115,000/year.
(888.sport.com and
HTML https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/leaked-report-reveals-how-much-18169396)<br
/>
What is average wage for Premiership rugby player? Would that
increase if the league were fully/partially ring fenced?
Prior to COVID (game changer all round), how many Football clubs
were/are still in a precarious position?
How do football clubs stay solvent and rugby clubs constantly
miss profits (except Exeter and, occasionally, Saints)?
Simple comparison, I know, but rugby still has plenty to learn,
it seems.
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: Domestos
Date: October 19, 2020, 10:35 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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>
> What is average wage for Premiership rugby player? Would that
increase if the league were fully/partially ring fenced?
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On the assumption that is not a rhetorical question.
Harlequins list 43 players in the senior squad, according to the
website. i don't think Academy players are counted - are they?
43 players less 3 marquee players equals 40. Divide that into
seven million pounds, is it? Equals £175,000, but there must be
a wide variance between the top earners and the low end.
Not bad earnings, but not exactly untold wealth.
If my calculations are up the creek, someone will tell me, I am
sure.
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Re: Champions Cup Final
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: October 19, 2020, 11:01 am
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I don’t think you can compare football with rugby as the squad
sizes are different. I’m not fully sure of football squads but I
would think that 30/35 would be the number on the payroll. Rugby
squads will be ten or so higher so less money has to go round
more People. Rugby’s problem is that not enough people are
watching or paying to watch it to cover the costs. The economics
are that costs need cutting. The fact that wages are higher than
most clubs can sustain without wealthy owners putting extra
money in shows how fine the balance is. I believe that in the
EFL you have to run your clubs finances without losses being
incurred. It’s apples and pears.
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