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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: Domestos
Date: September 20, 2020, 6:16 am
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> Saracens have built a team based on blatant cheating of the
salary cap. This went on for years. Wray financed all of it. You
cannot compare to any other team until all the cheats move on
and they rebuild following the rules.
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"We" - Harlequins - are cheats; aren't we?
We cheated. I think we should stop pointing the finger - or at
least, keep quiet until we are whiter than white.
It's tiresome.
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: MadMax
Date: September 20, 2020, 6:19 am
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Yesterday was yet another sad day for rugby where a club built
on cheating still run by people party to the cheating and
containing players also party to the cheating proceeded to the
semi-finals at the expense of a decent honest club. The fact
that they apparently played brilliantly is totally irrelevant.
Now we have nonsense about them escaping relegation and avoiding
punishment. God help rugby.
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: September 20, 2020, 6:23 am
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You can't sweep what they've done under the table as it was
clear and blatant but all the other points about buying into a
mentality and talent spotting is correct. If we could play that
consistently I'd be delighted.
But please, let's not shed any tears for Leinster. This is the
best side in a pub league where they can afford to let their
best players play a third of the league games of English or
French players and still win the league most years. If Sexton,
Larmour et al played as many league games as Farrell or Marler
or any of those equivalents, they wouldn't be so successful.
They manipulate the league to ensure they get European success.
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: SiB
Date: September 20, 2020, 7:32 am
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> "We" - Harlequins - are cheats; aren't we?
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> We cheated. I think we should stop pointing the finger - or at
least, keep quiet until we are whiter than white.
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> It's tiresome.
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>
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We where, and have been punished, how many of those guilty are
still at the club? People lost their jobs and other where banned
Remember the 2013 play off when Sarries brought in a fresh front
row full of internationals? Think Ugo was held together with
tape and had to play out of position
We cheated once, Sarries cheated and Wray said Ok will never
happen again, then guess what did it again
It may be tiresome but it’s still topical, they haven’t gone
down yet, and looks like plenty are trying to find a reason for
them not to, also told won’t be in Champions cup, now it looks
as though if they win, they will be
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: maybetomorrow
Date: September 20, 2020, 10:04 am
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With the Bloodgate we foolishly cheated,and we were rightfully
demote.
This resulted in a 12-month ban for Williams, (reduced to four
months on appeal), a three-year ban for former rugby director
Dean Richards, and a two-year ban for physical therapist Steph
Brennan from the ERC with a £ 260,000 fine for the club
The Saracens have been cheating for 3 years, winning
championships and cups they otherwise could not have won.
Don't care if they played good or bad yesterday, they just
didn't have to play.
Have they cheated for 3 years?
For 3 years no participation European cup and they remain in the
RFU Championship for 3 years.
Players involved who knew about the scam, should also be
disqualified for 3 years
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: MadMax
Date: September 20, 2020, 11:36 am
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> With the Bloodgate we foolishly cheated,and we were rightfully
demote.
> This resulted in a 12-month ban for Williams, (reduced to four
months on appeal), a three-year ban for former rugby director
Dean Richards, and a two-year ban for physical therapist Steph
Brennan from the ERC with a £ 260,000 fine for the club
> The Saracens have been cheating for 3 years, winning
championships and cups they otherwise could not have won.
> Don't care if they played good or bad yesterday, they just
didn't have to play.
> Have they cheated for 3 years?
> For 3 years no participation European cup and they remain in
the RFU Championship for 3 years.
> Players involved who knew about the scam, should also be
disqualified for 3 years
>
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It was six years of cheating.
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: Adrian
Date: September 20, 2020, 12:02 pm
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> We cheated once,
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No. We were caught once!
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: maybetomorrow
Date: September 20, 2020, 12:25 pm
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> It was six years of cheating.
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I had understood 3 years
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if there were 6, instead of 3 put the 6 in each penalty
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: Yareet
Date: September 20, 2020, 1:58 pm
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Genuine question to those who are criticising Sarries. At what
point are they no longer cheats?
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Re: Leinster v Sarries is it really cheats should never prosper
DIR By: poorfour
Date: September 20, 2020, 2:21 pm
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> Genuine question to those who are criticising Sarries. At what
point are they no longer cheats?
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When they have served their time in the Championship, and we
have an effective salary framework that enables them to be
policed. My preference would be for players to share their tax
returns with the salary cap manager, as it’s pretty hard to get
around that.
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