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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: September 24, 2020, 1:35 pm
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> The tricky thing for a Government is managing the optics of
propping up a sport that's seen as having wealthy backers,
wealthy players and wealthy fans.
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--- End Quote ---
The optics word is doing a lot of work here. The government
finances are going to be struggling for a very long time, so yes
- if you’re bailing out Nigel Wray or similar, then yes that’s a
problem. If a wealthy person wants to keep their hobby going
then fine, that’s their issue, but don’t start using taxpayers
money for it.
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: Mr_B
Date: September 24, 2020, 1:36 pm
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my season ticket is going to be a very expensive BT sports
access pass then
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: Mr_B
Date: September 24, 2020, 1:37 pm
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rugby union is an art 😜
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: DOK
Date: September 24, 2020, 1:38 pm
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The request for support for the RFU is to cover ALL rugby clubs,
not just the professional ones.
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: September 24, 2020, 1:46 pm
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Same question - all of “the arts”, including all theatre, music,
museums etc which have thousands of jobs related to them and
which draw masses of tourism and money into the country, vs
rugby union, which has loss making professional clubs, limited
spectators below international level and dwindling
participation.
I want rugby to survive. I love it as a sport, on and off the
field. I just don’t see How it can be a government priority when
hundreds of thousands of people are about to lose their jobs.
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: DOK
Date: September 24, 2020, 1:56 pm
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Who said government priority?
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: September 24, 2020, 1:59 pm
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Well, what I thought we were talking about was the government
bailing out sports.
My position was that the government has to prioritise spending,
and sport generally and rugby union specifically won’t be high
up on that priority list.
What did you think we were talking about?
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: September 24, 2020, 2:15 pm
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Rugby is no different to any other business. They need customers
to generate income to be sustainable. If the government won’t
allow you any customers then they must make sure you can
survive.
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: September 24, 2020, 2:28 pm
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That’s true. But if it was a loss making business where you’re
bailing out wealthy owners then I’m not sure that the government
should step in. After all, how long is this going to go on for?
How long do you think that the government should support it?
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Re: The end of rugby?
DIR By: Fearless Fred
Date: September 25, 2020, 1:17 am
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As a point of interest regarding "the arts" I can say from the
standpoint of someone in an associated business (professional
audio equipment used in theatres, gigs, concerts, recording
studios, broadcast studios, etc) that the industry is feeling
this HARD.
You may look at Gary Linekar (to use a tabloid staple of a
"luvvie to hate on") & say they're all rolling in it. While a
very few of the big name stars may be financially secure, the
vast majority of those in the TV and Music business have had
little to no support since the lockdown was started, and a lot
of them are on low wage short term contracts for the duration of
a tour/production. If the show doesn't go on, they don't get
paid. When you see a band play at a moderate-sized venue like
the Hammersmith Apollo, you may only think of the 4/5/6 guys on
stage, but the crew required to setup & make the show run is
more like 80 when you factor in the sound engineers, lighting
crew, riggers, transport crew, etc. Add in the venue staff (box
office, stewarding ushers, food & drink, and you're over the 100
mark very quickly. Even for the artists, a lot of them are not
as well off as you think. Streaming brings very little revenue
for them, even when they're established names. Album releases
are often only break even of a tiny profit once you factor in
production costs of studio & equipment rental, sound engineers,
session musicians in some cases. Touring and Festivals is pretty
much how artists & bands make a living, and that's been cut off.
The same is true in TV & Radio, there's a lot of staff that are
needed to get the sound and pictures onto the TV, even for a
standard News broadcast. The pressures on keeping overall costs
low for TV News for example means that apart from anchors & key
reporting staff, a lot of the reporters, especially when it
comes to the local news are freelancers, not knowing from one
month to the next who they'll be working for or even *if*
they'll be working. When you get into the realms of TV
Drama/Comedy, it's even higher, and the majority of them will be
on very modest money and only get paid while the production is
underway.
The entertainment/creative industries are estimated to be worth
approx £110Bn to the UK economy, often driving secondary revenue
into the economy (Going up to London to see a show? I know,
we'll stay over, have a meal out beforehand). It's a MASSIVE
part of the UK economy, as well as being part of the soft
diplomacy that shapes how ordinary people in other countries
perceive the UK, and it's mainly been cut off at the knees these
last six months with no support.
Sorry, just needed to get that off my chest.
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