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       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: honkytonk
       Date: September 24, 2020, 10:23 am
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       --- Quote from: Carbonm link ---
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       > but also what about the number of people who died from Covid
       who died without having a test? (people who died at home or care
       homes before they had testing in place) you could argue the
       number could actually be much higher.
       >
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       no doubt.  I had no agenda tbh, its just something that has
       bugged me a bit (as trivial as it may seem to some)
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       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: September 24, 2020, 12:05 pm
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       Apologies for still sticking with the original post, but We
       might as well not bother playing the game
  HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-8769265/Rugby-clubs-blast-Rishi-Sunaks-new-job-retention-scheme.html
       Rugby chiefs fear financial oblivion with fans still locked out
       of grounds as owners blast Chancellor Rishi Sunak's new job
       retention scheme as no help to professional sports
       - The end of the furlough scheme will create even more trouble
       for rugby clubs
       - Clubs are desperate to get fans back in grounds in order to
       earn back money
       - Some clubs worry about going bust, losing between £750k and
       £1m per month
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       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: September 24, 2020, 12:07 pm
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       Elite sport must find a way to support itself, says minister
       Nigel Huddleston
  HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54284735
       Elite sports have been warned that they may be unable to have
       fans back for six months.
       Huddleston said he was "unable" to give any prospective target
       dates for the return of fans, because of the uncertainty
       surrounding the pandemic.
       #Post#: 50244--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: September 24, 2020, 12:28 pm
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       And here's a laugh for you all. Saracens never relied on ticket
       sales, their ground is limited to 10K maximum. Are they one of
       the better placed clubs to ride out this particular storm?
       [emoji848]
       #Post#: 50248--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: Dibden
       Date: September 24, 2020, 12:34 pm
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       Saracens worry is will there be a championship league for them
       to play in?My understanding is the financial threat to those
       clubs is even more serious/critical than the premiership because
       of savage cuts by RFU.
       It is a horrendous problem for all.
       #Post#: 50249--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: honkytonk
       Date: September 24, 2020, 12:41 pm
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       I saw something saying that the RFU funding for Champ clubs will
       drop to as little as 40k as things stand??
       #Post#: 50250--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: dr_miles
       Date: September 24, 2020, 12:51 pm
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       So as a government I can spend my money to support professional
       sports, where most clubs are loss making enterprises with Some
       very highly paid staff (I acknowledge that not all staff are),
       or I can support the low paid or people on temporary contracts
       in otherwise profitable areas of the economy. Surely it’s the
       latter, isn’t it?
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       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: September 24, 2020, 1:17 pm
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       But you can throw money at "the arts" and no-one complains it's
       stealing money from the poor. As long as opera survives who
       cares about rugby?
       #Post#: 50254--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: September 24, 2020, 1:22 pm
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       --- Quote from: dr_miles link ---
       >
       > So as a government I can spend my money to support
       professional sports, where most clubs are loss making
       enterprises with Some very highly paid staff (I acknowledge that
       not all staff are), or I can support the low paid or people on
       temporary contracts in otherwise profitable areas of the
       economy. Surely it’s the latter, isn’t it?
       >
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       Why isn't it a both/and thing? The Government is borrowing
       massively to prop up the economy.
       The relative cost to support rugby is not huge in the grand
       scheme of things - £120m would probably support the clubs for a
       year (based on £500k revenue per match x 20 matches per club),
       and about the same again for the RFU.
       For comparison, the Furlough scheme cost £14bn per month (and
       Brexit is costing us £600m per week according to Goldman Sachs).
       The cost of propping up a sport is a small additional price but
       would have value in terms of a) morale and entertainment during
       the crisis and b) not having a hole in the entertainment sector
       when we eventually emerge from this.
       The tricky thing for a Government is managing the optics of
       propping up a sport that's seen as having wealthy backers,
       wealthy players and wealthy fans. It would probably need to be
       structured as a long term loan - perhaps (if the Government
       weren't so opposed to the BBC) with a deal to get more matches
       on terrestrial tv. For a relatively small price you get
       something symbolic to keep people entertained, and it's pretty
       trivial in the grand scheme of things.
       #Post#: 50255--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The end of rugby?
   DIR By: dr_miles
       Date: September 24, 2020, 1:29 pm
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       How many people attend “the arts” vs the handful who attend
       professional rugby union?
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