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#Post#: 49025--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: September 9, 2020, 8:51 am
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--- Quote from: RleQuin link ---
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> Unfortunately the Club stats have been engineered for years
and players like Easter and Monye's were altered to ensure the
landmark was achieved when it suited.
> Chris has played over 300 games already because he appeared in
friendlies before the decision was made by Conor O'Shea not to
include them from the start of 2011/12.
> The way I look at it is if you start manipulating figures to
suit, they are meaningless.
>
> ScottyQuin - Who is the club statistician now?
>
> RleQ
>
--- End Quote ---
This seems to be a fairly pointless thing for the club to do.
Obviously it would be great for a player to reach a milestone
cap in front of a home crowd, but I'm sure the crowd would give
them just as good of a reception if they ran on for their 301st
game. I suppose it might help the media hype around a game, but
if the players know it's made up then I can't imagine it gives
the team any sort of psychological boost for a game i.e. the
mindset won't be "let's play our hearts out for Robshaw's 300th"
when they know it's his 308th.
The friendlies point is different - I have no real view on
whether they should be counted or not, as long as it is
consistent. I don't see why they shouldn't be counted though, as
long as they are proper fixtures. Testimonials are a different
matter
#Post#: 49026--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: Mr_B
Date: September 9, 2020, 8:54 am
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surely with both Robshaws playing most of those games the number
of caps is in excess of 600.
#Post#: 49031--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: RleQuin
Date: September 9, 2020, 9:11 am
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--- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
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> This seems to be a fairly pointless thing for the club to do.
Obviously it would be great for a player to reach a milestone
cap in front of a home crowd, but I'm sure the crowd would give
them just as good of a reception if they ran on for their 301st
game. I suppose it might help the media hype around a game, but
if the players know it's made up then I can't imagine it gives
the team any sort of psychological boost for a game i.e. the
mindset won't be "let's play our hearts out for Robshaw's 300th"
when they know it's his 308th.
>
> The friendlies point is different - I have no real view on
whether they should be counted or not, as long as it is
consistent. I don't see why they shouldn't be counted though, as
long as they are proper fixtures. Testimonials are a different
matter
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree on the both points - I argued with Paddy Lennon because
he insisted appearances as as temporary replacement didn't
count! In the end, he made the decision so the stats were wrong.
I understand he used to make up the appearances when he was at
Irish so nothing has changed.
On friendlies, I believe they should all count because when you
look back, pretty much all games were "friendlies" before
1971/72 when the RFU Knockout cup began. If you go down the
route of not counting them, all those playing before then would
have nothing listed!!
RleQ
#Post#: 49033--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: poorfour
Date: September 9, 2020, 9:51 am
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--- Quote from: Mr_B link ---
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> surely with both Robshaws playing most of those games the
number of caps is in excess of 600.
>
--- End Quote ---
If you adjust for workrate it's more like 800, plus 172 England
caps.
#Post#: 49037--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: Adrian
Date: September 9, 2020, 12:18 pm
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Quins have fixed the error on the Current Players pages.
#Post#: 49051--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: ScottyQuin
Date: September 9, 2020, 1:57 pm
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RLeQuin,
The contact I was given was Stuart Farmer.
#Post#: 49070--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: RleQuin
Date: September 9, 2020, 2:08 pm
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Cheers
RleQ
#Post#: 49197--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: September 9, 2020, 4:57 pm
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You can’t compare caps and how they were counted pre/post the
professional era.
And I doubt Chris Robshaw gives a toss, frankly.
#Post#: 49202--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: RleQuin
Date: September 9, 2020, 6:02 pm
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I don't know where this whole idea of club appearances being
caps has come from either. They don't get anything given after
every appearance so they should simply be called appearances!
Of course you can compare them - if you played for the 1st XV it
equals one appearance - nothing has changed
RleQ
#Post#: 49203--------------------------------------------------
Re: Robbo and the 300-cap milestone
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: September 9, 2020, 6:47 pm
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--- Quote from: RleQuin link ---
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> I don't know where this whole idea of club appearances being
caps has come from either. They don't get anything given after
every appearance so they should simply be called appearances!
> Of course you can compare them - if you played for the 1st XV
it equals one appearance - nothing has changed
> RleQ
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry, call it appearances then. Makes no difference. You still
can't compare amateur stuff with pro. And it's still pointless
if you do. Compare a Euro knockout match with an LV group game.
Get a grip - there's more to life than numbers. :)
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